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honourablegeorge

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Ballague reckons that Gerrard was booed at Anfield afte the Spurs game - that true?

 

He also reckons that there's a psychological problem amongst the team - that the team are tense, playing with fear, and Ayasteran was the one who used to relieve that tension. All a bit cryptic, dunno if it's pure speculation or if he knows something.

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Ballague reckons that Gerrard was booed at Anfield afte the Spurs game - that true?

 

He also reckons that there's a psychological problem amongst the team - that the team are tense, playing with fear, and Ayasteran was the one who used to relieve that tension. All a bit cryptic, dunno if it's pure speculation or if he knows something.

 

how can one player be booed after a game? Ballague has never been right about anything. hj emust be teh wors informed journalist around

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Ballague reckons that Gerrard was booed at Anfield afte the Spurs game - that true?

 

He also reckons that there's a psychological problem amongst the team - that the team are tense, playing with fear, and Ayasteran was the one who used to relieve that tension. All a bit cryptic, dunno if it's pure speculation or if he knows something.

 

Benetiz doesn't strike me as the kind of manager to put an arm around players who need it. I'm not talking about players crying into his shoulder but simply giving players personal pep talks and setting out personal goals for them.

 

He seems to be more a numbers man using stats, timetables graphs etc. to work out who's going to play the next game. Perhaps the personal touch came from people like Pako.

 

All speculation of course.

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Pako was always described as the link to the players, yeah. And more than one player has said there's little or no relationship with Rafa on a personal level.

 

I don't have a problem with Rafa being distant from the players...if it were under 16's or something I could understand the need to help and guide players, but these guys are meant to be top professionals...I think the fact that Rafa has brought you to a club like Liverpool should be all the confidence you need, shouldn't need to be told it every week

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I don't have a problem with Rafa being distant from the players...if it were under 16's or something I could understand the need to help and guide players, but these guys are meant to be top professionals...I think the fact that Rafa has brought you to a club like Liverpool should be all the confidence you need, shouldn't need to be told it every week

 

i dont buy that at all. i think the manager should use his personal relationship with the players to get the best out of them.

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He also reckons that there's a psychological problem amongst the team - that the team are tense, playing with fear, and Ayasteran was the one who used to relieve that tension. All a bit cryptic, dunno if it's pure speculation or if he knows something.

 

You know the first thing that sprang to mind after reading that was Gerrard.

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I don't have a problem with Rafa being distant from the players...if it were under 16's or something I could understand the need to help and guide players, but these guys are meant to be top professionals...I think the fact that Rafa has brought you to a club like Liverpool should be all the confidence you need, shouldn't need to be told it every week

Just because someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they don't need help. Being in your early 20's playing for an expectant crowd of 40,000 and on tv all the time is pressure. Some people take to it like a duck to water others don't.

 

The phrase "bed in" is all about that. Feeling comfortable with your team mates and being trusted etc. People in all walks of life need support at some stage regardless of wage.

 

I'm not having a dig here at Rafa but I can see how he differs from other managers in this regard. I think it's why he buys players like Alonso, Arbeloa, Kuyt and Reina . They seem like mentally strong characters. If they are fit they can play. No grey area to deal with.

 

Different styles is all. I can imagine Mourinho telling Lampard in private that he's the best Midfielder in the world and making him feel 10 foot tall. Same as I can imagine Ged bringing Gerrard over to his own home for dinner using the softly softly approach.

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Just because someone gets paid to do something doesn't mean they don't need help. Being in your early 20's playing for an expectant crowd of 40,000 and on tv all the time is pressure. Some people take to it like a duck to water others don't.

 

The phrase "bed in" is all about that. Feeling comfortable with your team mates and being trusted etc. People in all walks of life need support at some stage regardless of wage.

 

I'm not having a dig here at Rafa but I can see how he differs from other managers in this regard. I think it's why he buys players like Alonso, Arbeloa, Kuyt and Reina . They seem like mentally strong characters. If they are fit they can play. No grey area to deal with.

 

Different styles is all. I can imagine Mourinho telling Lampard in private that he's the best Midfielder in the world and making him feel 10 foot tall. Same as I can imagine Ged bringing Gerrard over to his own home for dinner using the doftly softly approach.

 

but all liverpool players should be mentally strong. I just don't believe that these guys need confidence, I think thats a cop out.

 

Plus I am not bothered by the wages these guys are on, I don't think that would give them confidence, I think being bought to play for a club liek Liverpool should give you all the boost you need.

 

Maybe I see it too black and white

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honourablegeorge

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You know the first thing that sprang to mind after reading that was Gerrard.

 

 

Stevie has a well-documented need of the occasional hug, aye. It's a worrying trait in a captain, to be honest - he needs to be the one looking after the younger players, leading them by example, etc.

 

That said, one or two of the new players have mentioned him being a very welcoming and helpful dressing room influence, so I may be speculating up the wrong tree.

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Stevie has a well-documented need of the occasional hug, aye. It's a worrying trait in a captain, to be honest - he needs to be the one looking after the younger players, leading them by example, etc.

 

That said, one or two of the new players have mentioned him being a very welcoming and helpful dressing room influence, so I may be speculating up the wrong tree.

 

tbf to stevie, the interview he gave at Carra resturant was perfect for a captain 'we have great players, we have a world class manager, trust in me, trust in the team' perfect

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but all liverpool players should be mentally strong. I just don't believe that these guys need confidence, I think thats a cop out.

 

Plus I am not bothered by the wages these guys are on, I don't think that would give them confidence, I think being bought to play for a club liek Liverpool should give you all the boost you need.

 

Maybe I see it too black and white

I think you do see too black and white. If playing for a top class team gave you all the confidence you need then players wouldn't have bad runs of form or ever miss penalties, and when getting called up to player for their national team they would never miss a peno due to the extra boost they'd get.

Teams and players don't unlearn all they've been though and suddenly develop terrible touches and moments where they can't pass properly. It's all in their head. You don't unlearn naturally moving into space and playing instinctivly. Mentally players get hamstrung just like writers get writers block is my guess. It's up to the manager or someone on the staff to man manage those that need it. It's not a weakness just human nature.

honourablegeorge

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tbf to stevie, the interview he gave at Carra resturant was perfect for a captain 'we have great players, we have a world class manager, trust in me, trust in the team' perfect

 

 

At times like this, we need Cisse to give some decent interviews.

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Different people different takes. If you are a great authority figure, who commands respect and possibly some fear, it can be absolutely the right thing to keep a distance from your people and be able to make dispassionate decisions. What you then do is try to ensure there is a balance somewhere or some will be in need of emotional support.

 

If you are like Houllier for example, and you work by fostering strong dependent personal relationships, this can also work, but you run the risk of alienating those you may not gel with and promoting jelousy. You'll also need to have some form of the law in the camp.

 

Personally, I think the boss, the leader should be more concerned with the overall strategy and vision than massaging egos, he shouldn't be playing favourites (which will always happen with that approach), but cant possibly get around and give everyone emotonal support. His staff and senior players should be able to take care of that for those that need it.

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