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November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger

Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle

Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack

No fighting spirit

No attacking subs in the end

Bootle Buck · November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger
Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle
Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack
No fighting spirit
No attacking subs in the end

Absolutely!

Rafa has us playing a very laboured style of football that bypasses the midfield. Our forwards always have their backs to goal and are 25 yards out. Only at home against opposition that sits back do our FB's come forward. We were 3-0 down and still being slow and plodding. Compare this to other sides like Utd and Arsenal and we positively look like we are stuck in one gear regardless of the score. It's his team and his tactics and we can't blame anyone else.

November 12, 2006

Nope, I agree he must shoulder a lot of the blame.

He never changed the team in the 100th game - was it in spite ?

He wont play Gerrard in the centre until it's to late - is this in spite ?

Edited November 12, 2006 by Kev

windy city red · November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger
Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle
Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack
No fighting spirit
No attacking subs in the end

1) yes.

2) dont think he had a choice

3) it was conservative, but you saw the speed arsenal attacks - playing a little negative at time sometimes helps. It did inthe first half until the frigging goal.

4) Thats the players' fault.

5) bellamy/pennant? there wasnt much he could do by the time agger came in, it was more damage control.

like i said earlier, hes not faultless but shouldnt be shouldering majority of the blame.

Nerik · November 12, 2006

Of course he is partly to blame. I think his biggest mistake today was not taking off Carra at HT. We would have been 1 man down had not Clattenberg taken mercy on Carra. Most of the other "mistakes" were due to lack of alternative or a gamble i.e. Gonzalez or Pennant. Still the team, including Rafa as boss, did not react well once again when they went behind.

Mad_Fer_It · November 12, 2006

Agreed, we're not saying sack Rafa, but people like Gerrard and Rafa must accept their fault.

Both leaders and important people in our team, maybe Rafa needs to start from scratch again and stick to basics for a few games, everyone in their best positions, give the squad a good run out...

And to the Board, if the fella wants Alves give him Alves, buying pennat for half the price and doing a quarter of the job doesnt work, he did put in one amazing cross, but he shouldve been sent off witht that foul on the wing

Agreed, we're not saying sack Rafa, but people like Gerrard and Rafa must accept their fault.

Both leaders and important people in our team, maybe Rafa needs to start from scratch again and stick to basics for a few games, everyone in their best positions, give the squad a good run out...

And to the Board, if the fella wants Alves give him Alves, buying pennat for half the price and doing a quarter of the job doesnt work, he did put in one amazing cross, but he shouldve been sent off witht that foul on the wing

RafaShanks · November 12, 2006

It's virtually his squad now, so the buck stops with him.

It's evident a lot of players have lost confidence with tactics/system.

You buy average, you become average?

Andy @ Allerton · November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger
Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle
Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack
No fighting spirit
No attacking subs in the end

I don't agree.

Cunny · November 12, 2006

This is Rafa's squad now and he has to take responsibility and accountability for piss poor performances like many this season.

He's not beyong criticism but I still believe he'll get it right.

Dan · November 12, 2006

He never changed the team in the 100th game - was it in spite ?

Dear God

Guz · November 12, 2006

Obviously the manager must take SOME of the blame? When has there ever been amanager in football who is completely exonerated of blame when their team loses? Especially 5 aways in a row. Doesn't mean everyone's alternatives are correct or that he is incapable of taking us further but we win as a team, and lose as a team.

What I dont agree with is the suggestion the players have lost confidence in his ability. What evidence is there of this? If we're incapable of turning out the results we did last year (i.e. winning most games with the exception of Bolton, United, Arsenal, Mancs, Chelsea) over the course of a season, then we'll see.

Coyler · November 12, 2006

He wont play Gerrard in the centre until it's to late - is this in spite ?

Rafa's refusing to consider all the incontrovertibly sumptuous benefits of playing Gerrard in the centre, where he always plays so well, to stick one to the English media?

Swipe · November 12, 2006

Was Hyypia injured?

Or was he being replaced by Agger a sign from Benitez that he's had it with Sami?

Coyler · November 12, 2006

Or was he being replaced by Agger a sign from Benitez that he's had it with Sami?

Out of spite, you mean?

windy city red · November 12, 2006

Of course he is partly to blame. I think his biggest mistake today was not taking off Carra at HT. We would have been 1 man down had not Clattenberg taken mercy on Carra. Most of the other "mistakes" were due to lack of alternative or a gamble i.e. Gonzalez or Pennant. Still the team, including Rafa as boss, did not react well once again when they went behind.

the first "foul" carra made was never a foul on henry. not in a million years. the letting off was justified in the end.

November 12, 2006

My post has nothing to do with "sack Rafa"....

Just saying, we've played 6 away games at Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal under Rafa and what do we have to show for it??

Most of the games we've actually looked ok until they scored and then there was no response at all.....

Maybe it's time to change the game plan??

Swipe · November 12, 2006

We look so utterly toothless. Not to mention slow.

Rafa has to admit that his business in the summer wasn't good enough.

Pennant should not be anywhere near LFC. He's utterly mediocre.

It may be too early to judge Gonzalez, but he hardly looks like he can become world class.

Bellamy has been awful. Perhaps he's not good enough or big enough for a club this size.

Also, Zenden is one of the most useless players we've bought in recent times. Stick him in in the league cup, but don't put him anywhere near the starting 11 against teams like Arsenal.

I also think we need more pace up front, esp away from home. Kuyt and Crouch just don't strectch defenders enough.

Was another embarrassing performance today

Chili Palmer · November 12, 2006

Its not like Rafa won't get lots of stick in the press, yes he has made mistakes but he has also put trust in players who are letting him down, imagine how frustrated he is at the minute.

Gomez · November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger
Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle
Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack
No fighting spirit
No attacking subs in the end

1. Disagree. Agger is a huge talent, he is also the future, but Hyypia and Carra have given us the stability we've needed recently, just because we've lost does not justify all your predjudices

2. Totally Agree.

3. Disagree, I see your point, but it would just have likely left us more exposed. We were away to arsenal remember.

4. Lazy criticism, we were beaten by the better team, it does not mean we wanted it less, just that they were better organised.

5. Disagree. Pennant and Bellamy were attacking subs, Bellamy scored a goal from a Pennant cut back that was wrongly disallowed (even though the game was over by then) I would like to see Fowler on the bench more, but that is probably just me.

Though on your main point. Rafa is the manager, he takes all the blame.

Billy Dane · November 12, 2006

If we went behind last season the team was confident it could turn the game around. This season we go behind, game over.

The self belief has gone, the captain and other experienced players aren't driving the team forward on the pitch. Off the pitch is down to the manager. Everyone needs to take responsibility.

Gomez · November 12, 2006

Was Hyypia injured?

Or was he being replaced by Agger a sign from Benitez that he's had it with Sami?

It was the most attacking thing Rafa had left.

Agger takes the ball forward better than Sami, the only other option was Warnock, and bringing him on, probably for Riise would have been a defensive move.

If we went behind last season the team was confident it could turn the game around. This season we go behind, game over.

Haifa? Sheff Utd? West Ham? Blackburn?

November 12, 2006

Hyypia playing, not Agger
Zenden prefered to Gerrard in the middle
Riise and Finnan not allowed to attack
No fighting spirit
No attacking subs in the end

Yes. It occurred to no-one else that the manager might have responsibility.

Billy Dane · November 12, 2006

Arsenal, Bolton, Man Utd, Chelsea, Everton, away from home?

November 12, 2006

1. Disagree. Agger is a huge talent, he is also the future, but Hyypia and Carra have given us the stability we've needed recently, just because we've lost does not justify all your predjudices
2. Totally Agree.
3. Disagree, I see your point, but it would just have likely left us more exposed. We were away to arsenal remember.
4. Lazy criticism, we were beaten by the better team, it does not mean we wanted it less, just that they were better organised.
5. Disagree. Pennant and Bellamy were attacking subs, Bellamy scored a goal from a Pennant cut back that was wrongly disallowed (even though the game was over by then) I would like to see Fowler on the bench more, but that is probably just me.

Though on your main point. Rafa is the manager, he takes all the blame.

3/4. I actually didn't think Arsenal played that well....

5. We could have subed Zenden for Bellamy in the end....Not even Rafa believed in it in the end....

oran · November 12, 2006

im not saying sack rafa,but i am very disapointed.

2.5 years in charge and almost nothing.

true,we won the chamions league and fa cup,but,we hardly play attractive football.most of the time we look like a mid-table team

that has no ideas when it comes to breaking an opponent.

we are way too defansive in my opinion,apart from a few games at home against smaller teams.

i am very,very angry with zenden playing CM even when momo is out...what the f***?????

also,some of our players are just not good enough.im sorry,but pennant and even bellamy are not producing.

i know this is also due to the fact rafa wasnt given funds,but still...

today,for the first time in 10 years,i just didnt want to watch the second half.

i am sorry,but i am not optimistic about us,not at all.

i even seriousely doubt we will finish top 4.

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