Billy Talbot

Yeah, we lost cos we were crap, but there's been at least one incidence (Spurs vs Arsenal) where a goal was ruled out by VAR for the same sort of "foul" on Konate for their first, their second was offside. Minteh should have have had at least 3 yellow cards, 2 of them for diving after he'd already been carded one of which resulted in a foul to them and a yellow to Frimpong! There was that bad tackle on Jones by Hinchelwood that could have been a red on another day. The ref didn't give a foul never mind a yellow for it. Plenty of games where teams don't lose when playing a better team, not very often do teams get away with not being the better team and the ref and VAR being absolute ****s.

Yeah, It looked offiside cos it was. Their excuse is that it wasn't offside enough, much like the Wirtz one (though that was also cleared up as being they broadcasted the wrong still... but hey ho)

I know, but it’s clearly got that wrong.

He only looked behind the ball on the cartoon.

Ref bottled sending minteh off and the var doesn’t know the offside laws.

How the f*** is that onside?

They were f***ing s***e. Imagine the score if either or both of the refs weren't bent. We were f***ing terrible too. Would have been about 30-0 if we weren't.

He's a RB for those games were we have loads of possession and the oppo play for a 0-0 bore draw. Unfortunately the oppos have started playing those games looking for a 0-1 win so Frimpong is no good.

It seems our players only close enough to match fitness to start by playing matches. I'm sure other coaching staff have come across this catch-22 before and have managed to come a cropper, but it seems our lot have worked out you only do that if they actually want them playing matches. If not they never get fit enough to play. It's a win-win.

I'm not arsed about where we were, how much we spent, what we're supposed to achieve. Just game by game. That was absolutely ****ing atrocious. f***ing terrible. As bad in some ways as PSV was but without the caveats. This is push come to shove time and that was awful. We don't defend or attack with conviction.

Yeah, he looks like he goes into shock. You can see him trembling. I'd like him to renew as well, at sensible wage, but I'd like us to have at least two starting centre backs in the team ahead of him. If he plays well enough to get back in the team and stay there then fair enough. I think it would be best for him. I don't think he's going to go anywhere else and start pulling up trees and it could go badly wrong.

They're rarely given but Bothroyd is right, anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul. If Rodri is passing and not shooting, it's a foul. for some reason refs think anyone shooting is fair game to get clattered.

Right load of s***e

Plenty of times refs haven’t given pens and not booked players. Never mind 2nd yellows. It’s years since I can remember that.

Did ramsey dive?

There's plenty of identity and pattern and style. It's just passive. The idea is we wait and pounce on mistakes. Unfortunately we make more mistakes than the opposition do. Last season we didn't. Last season we were much fitter, more organised and far more resilient.

soz

Felt a bit like the game we lost at Palace under Rodgers.

yeah I'd take it. But I don't think he'd last very long.

Correct. Different but also similar to my annoyance with people who say "daily basis".

yeah, I've snapped. I hope he crash lands us in the top five but after that... that's enough.

im not Having that that handball wasn’t a pen. I mean ffs

It’s often the way though isn’t it? A team has a week off to prepare and plays a team that’s played inbetween and then lacks intensity and sharpness. equally the team that’s rested comes on strong in the second half and the other team fades. Exactly what happened yesterday.

I’ve not read any of the last posts bar the first 10. what a great f***ing win.

He had a good game. I can't make up my mind if he's been so bad this season that it's made us bad or we've been so bad it's made him bad. Either way, we and he have both been bad.