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No real recollection of Burns up front except in extremis. I'll see your Lyons and raise you a Paul Warhurst.

Would be so if anyone other than Wirtz scores it. He got his name sung even as they kicked off, so the ground recognised it.

I would have thought the delayed flag thing was pretty much the same time as we started playing that really high line offside, but may well be years out with that.

Just search on Redcafe, BlueMoon, ATV etc. or whatever from 6 months ago, these analyses were all getting wheeled out then. Just glad no-one has yet argued it was all down to the Refs and VAR favouring us.

I think Macca's cliff-like drop off has created structural issues throughout the team. With him almost nonexistent Gravenbetch has been more easily targetted and there is always a clear run at our back line from one pass or failed challenge. Yet we all know what a talent he is. Around 75 minutes yesterday a Wolves player broke from thejr half and got a shot away that Allison fumbled slightly. As he ran, Macca was ambling back like it was nothing to do with him - yet in the 1st half he had got stuck in and even won a couple of challenges

Arsenal fans - surprisingly self-aware - have recently been having the debate. The ones I've heard accept that they are pretty boring but are absolutely up for winning the league George Graham style, 1-0 (og) for the Arsenal and anyone complaining can f*** themselves. Can't disagree. I'd settle for us winning the next 20 games like the last 3.

I thought they actually were our figures and saw no reason to question them

Fair enough, points accepted. I wasn't in any way trying to compare Slot and Klopp, but there has been narratives about what constitutes an unacceptable run of results for a Liverpool manager before he deserves the sack, or how comfortably we should beat the potentially worst team in PL history, or whether we just need to start winning (but now we have it's about identity) and it's just got me into Devils Advocate mode in respect of how things have been at other times. I don't believe he has used up the credit last season gave him and am somewhat surprised how many feel so strongly otherwise, but it's a legitimate and genuine opinion unless expressed maliciously (I've no time for the kind of t*** shouting f*** Off You Baldy Fraud at the match, even at a s*** show like PSV - which there was) - or by minimising his achievement last year. Unless things change dramatically either way in the meantime, I accept there needs to be a decision at the end of the season. I know that sounds a bit wishy washy, but it was never a consideration we had with Jürgen.

Points won over a run of 13 or 14 games for the incumbent Champions when top of the league (9 points from 14 games in 20-21, currently 17 from 13 games) is as far as you are likely to get from 'apples to oranges' in a dynamic, multi-parameter context like Football) I revere Klopp and would have argued against anyone calling for his head at that time. Of course there are a load of different caveats in both cases, and I really don't feel comfortable when we appropriate tropes which attempt to diminish what Slot achieved last year.

Yes Wolves are potentially historically terrible, but that doesn't mean that any failure to beat them comfortably invalidates the win. If anything we beat them more comfortably than Arsenal did, but they did what Champions do (as did last year's actual Champions against near-historically worse team Southampton) Whereas teams that have been on a poor and leaky run will probably panic. Fwiw I thought we panicked much less than in previous games and not conceding late and getting over the line with 3 points is, in the current context, a sign of what a team who are turning a corner does rather than a further instance of us still being crap.

Klopp's first post-PL winning season included a significant league run worse than we have just had and something like 5 consecutive home defeats. That's sackable if you apply the same standard as some are applying now, not sure if many were calling it at the time. And we came out of it with some scrappy results, like a very late Trent winner against a poor Villa iirc. And how we celebrated Allison's goal to sneak us into 4th!

The worst being Derby, who we beat, almost 18 years ago to the day, by the same 2-1 score, thanks to a ludicrously scrappy 90th minute Gerrard winner. Admittedly away, and we battered them at Anfield in a Torres inspired 6-0, but s*** happens.

I do. Clapped them off at half time as did most around me, the blert (not a regular) who had been loudly and boorishly laying into Kerkez, Slot and Jones from 2 minutes in had been told to shut up and was instead lauding Wirtz, and rightly so. Some good performances, especially Wirtz and Frimpong, but Jones, Kerkez and Gravenberch all did well. MacAllister even won a couple of challenges. Goals were coming before they did. We were quite patient and less intense, but a deserved lead. 2nd half not good by any means, but team felt and looked patched up and goosed by the end and couldnt get any level of control. Didnt feel the team - if not the crowd - panicked as badly as we previously have when we conceded. Gave up more chances than I would have liked, but it wasnt a rout. Always enjoy a win no matter what, and enjoyed a fair amount of what I saw yesterday. Absolutely the kind of 'step in the right direction' result and performance we can expect after the last few months. Onward and upward.

Except one of them won the league 7 months ago, which usually gives you some leeway in any assessment of your capabilities.

Fair play to The Blues for this

5th in the table, 3rd in the 5-game Form table. Not great by any means tonight, but 3 points is 3 points FFS. 2 good goals away from home. Didn't concede a late equaliser. I've long since avoided the match thread during the game, or at all when we lose, but usually page back to just after the finish when we win; but this is pretty thin and toxic gruel tonight. What happened to 'Oh What Fun It Is To Watch Libpool Win Away'? Some proper Eeyore-level wallowing on here, and even some patronising crap to anyone not desperate to join the misery fest. I'm off to have a drink and celebrate a pre-christmas win in the smoke, because that's never something not to be enjoyed.

Tbf, anyone - and that includes Platini - is a step down from partnering with Dalglish

Was in the Gwladys Street for a Derby they played together in, late Fowler equaliser iirc, but their movement and interchanging was fantastic to watch. Fowler has said Stan was the best partner he played with, Collymore acknowledges Robbie's deity.

One of the greatest games. Falcao's goal that day is in my top 3 non-LFC goals. https://youtu.be/FsDo4C4l1Bk?si=HqO4bU6LGqz-Nlhr Which made it all the sweeter that, with Falcao as very possibly the best player in the world at the time, we handed him his a*** on a plate AND beat him up in front of his girlfriend barely 2 years later

Because they got beaten by an Italian team?

Worryingly, not only was last night probably his worst game this season - although still better than some other's best - but particularly that he looked and played tired late on, very Non-Dom

Saw an article about a couple of weeks ago showing that the big drop off for the champions has been not so uncommon recently apart from most of City's title defences, obviously, last season being their outlier. Chelsea, Leicester, us in 20-21 with that truly dreadful mid-season run (12 points from 14 games genuinely was relegation form, 10 less than this season to date) all dropped off massively. I think Utd were on the underperforming list as well for one season, based on the first 11 games or so, but still went on to win the league that year.

Dalglish's greatness manifested across a range of 'traditional' footballing attributes, but his ultimate genius lay in his vision. He saw the possibilities and options on a football pitch like none before or since. The very best Chess Grand Masters are supposed to see a board and game situation differently and instantly - that was Dalglish on a football pitch. Team mates have spoken of how he appeared to be thinking not just one or two moves ahead, but 4 or 5. Suarez was the most outrageously gifted footballer I saw in a red shirt, edging out Barnes; Gerrard the most complete and a force of nature; but Kenny remains, for me, our GOAT and i feel enormously privileged to have been able to appreciate him throughout his career.

Were they at Chelsea together?

Iirc, he did one outrageous dummy to completely befuddle one of them, then repeated it about 2 minutes later for the fun of it. Very talented player, tactically flexible ("manager's dream"), incredible physicality of course, and seems to have excised those lapses of concentration moments/periods/games we sometimes saw in his first season. Slight increase in goal return puts him right at the top of the tree imo.