Yes Anny, it is a minority that sing the No Surrender song. I go to/have been to loads of England games, and abroad for WC's and EC's and when in the ground, when there are thousands of England fans together, it is sung by a minority and also never sung at all sometimes. On the times it is sung it doesn't take off like other chants. I certainly can't recall being in an England crowd and hearing the Paki/Turk song. It may have been sung, but not loud enough for me to have of heard it, I'm pretty sure about that. I understand you don't like England Anny and that's your perogative, but it is nowhere near as bad as it used to be.