Malaysian Plane 'crash' in Ukraine

[Cobs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856

 

295 people on board -

 

 

 

 

gotta wonder if it's been shot down by accident. Grim either way.

 

 

 

[D.Boon]

The Russians have proven quite good at shooting planes down in Ukraine lately........

[New York Red]

This ain't good...

[Duncan Disorderly]

Posted in the Ukraine thread by Boca...

 

Independent.ie ‏@Independent_ie 6mMalaysia plane: Passenger plane carrying 295 people has been shot down - an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister s http://indo.ie/zgXkX

[Sion]

Bloody hell

 

Grim year for Malaysian airlines isnt it.

[Boca]

This is grim

 

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 2mUpdate - Ukrainian Interior Ministry adviser says missile that reportedly brought down Malaysia plane was fired by separatists

 

 

[surf]

another 777

[Duncan Disorderly]

Bloody hell

 

Grim year for Malaysian airlines isnt it.

Never mind the 522 missing/dead plus crews.

[surf]

This is grim

 

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 2mUpdate - Ukrainian Interior Ministry adviser says missile that reportedly brought down Malaysia plane was fired by separatists

 

 

 

how could a missile shoot down a plane 10k high up in the air?

[Nerik]

Never mind the 522 missing/dead plus crews.

 

 

Don't be a dick. Of course the number of people dead is the major tragedy in both accidents. However for a company to lose two aircraft in a year in such sickening circumstances (possible pilot suicide, shot down) is very unusual and it must be a tough time for all those involved with the airline.

[Duncan Disorderly]

Don't be a dick. Of course the number of people dead is the major tragedy in both accidents. However for a company to lose two aircraft in a year in such sickening circumstances (possible pilot suicide, shot down) is very unusual and it must be a tough time for all those involved with the airline.

Not being a dick, and I fully understand the bit in bold, but the plight of the airline wouldn't be uppermost in my mind after a plane crashes.

 

how could a missile shoot down a plane 10k high up in the air?

Shells fired from warships in WWII could reach up to 40,000 feet.

[Nerik]

I'd hazard a guess that Sion's first thoughts were probably about the people who died.

[matty]

how could a missile shoot down a plane 10k high up in the air?

These separatists have incredibly good weaponry. Provided by that nice Mr Putin.

[Gerry]

how could a missile shoot down a plane 10k high up in the air?

 

One of these.

[Duncan Disorderly]

I'd hazard a guess that Sion's first thoughts were probably about the people who died.

I wouldn't doubt that, but sod the airline and writing about how they might feel. At least they're alive to feel at all.

[Dan]

Bloody hell.

[Nerik]

I wouldn't doubt that, but sod the airline and writing about how they might feel. At least they're alive to feel at all.

 

True, though from a personal point of view as someone who works in the industry my thoughts do go out to those at Malaysian who have lost friends, colleagues. have to deal with the aftermath etc. It is never nice. Twice in a year is ridiculous.

[RP]

Jeez.

[Cam]

Awful. Experts say it couldn't have been a handheld missile launcher... so either a huge truck-transported thing or from a fighter plane? Either way points at Putin.

 

You have to wonder wtf it was doing flying over a warzone? Surely this isn't a common thing for airlines to do?

[Duncan Disorderly]

True, though from a personal point of view as someone who works in the industry my thoughts do go out to those at Malaysian who have lost friends, colleagues. have to deal with the aftermath etc. It is never nice. Twice in a year is ridiculous.

Yes, true that.

 

This from the BBC News website...

 

Analysis: Jonathan Beale, BBC News

 

A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar.

 

That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile, or Manpad, which has a much shorter range.

 

The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles.

 

The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.

 

 

If it was shot down, there're bound to be some serious repercussions.

 

Bloody awful for everyone involved/concerned.

[Jim D]

Yes, true that.

 

This from the BBC News website...

 

Analysis: Jonathan Beale, BBC News

 

A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar.

 

That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile, or Manpad, which has a much shorter range.

 

The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles.

 

The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.

 

 

If it was shot down, there're bound to be some serious repercussions.

 

Bloody awful for everyone involved/concerned.

 

This is horrible, crashing near the Ukraine and Russia border cannot be coincidence surely?

[aka Dus]

Tin foil hat wearers polishing their USA shot it down Facebook posts as we speak.

 

Flew from Copenhagen to Phuket in February and remember we flew right over Donetsk on the way over. Surely if it's a major flight path it should have been diverted away from there by now?

Edited July 17, 2014 by aka Dus

[JonShar]

Yes, true that.

 

This from the BBC News website...

 

Analysis: Jonathan Beale, BBC News

 

A defence expert has told the BBC that shooting down a plane at 10,000m (9.7 miles) would have required a long- range surface-to-air missile - possibly guided by radar.

 

That suggests it is unlikely it could have been downed by a portable air defence missile, or Manpad, which has a much shorter range.

 

The only other possibility is for an aircraft at that height to be downed by a fighter carrying air-to-air missiles.

 

The US will have access to satellite imagery that should be able to identify ultra-violet plumes if a long-range surface-to-air missile was fired.

 

 

If it was shot down, there're bound to be some serious repercussions.

 

Bloody awful for everyone involved/concerned.

 

Believe a US official made a statement a few days ago about Russians providing separatists with surface-to-air missiles that can reach 20,000 feet.

[Nerik]

Talk on most aviation forums is of it being shot down. Some also saying that a lot of surface to air missiles can reach 46,000ft. This plane was at 33,000ft. There is also a reported quote of a rebel leader claiming that it was his group who shot down the plane, thinking it was a Ukranian one.

 

@rjamesjones on Twitter:

 

On rebel commander Strelkov's page "We warned you not to fly in our sky." He

thought they'd shot a Ukrainian plane.

[Earl Hafler]

According to the flight tracker websites, it's come down right on the border with Russia