100 percent rafa

[Mike]

Alonso and lucas in the middle. A kid and a player injured and dropped recently with bad form. The substitution of babel for kewel. Complete f***ing madness. Why does a rotation policy include a f***ing keeper??? Bad bad bad.

[Dominus Maximus]

FFS, Babel was awful, stepovers shure, Didn't have anything in the second half. I can't believe you blame Rafa. The players should have enough respect for the Club, and themselves and demolish a midtable championship side. This should have been Rafa's day off. Rafa is still the best thing the club can get as manager.

[alias75]

2 things about the keeper

 

1. Its been reported that its in his contract that he plays certain cup games, not sure if thats true mind.

2. Our 2nd choice keeper should be able to handle Barnsley at home.

 

If Pepe had picked up an injury today and was out of the Inter game then we'd be in a lot of trouble.

 

As for the other points, Alonso needs games, i agree im not sure why Babel was taken off.

 

But we created enough chances to win 5 games today is it Rafa's fault we didnt take them?

[Guest Snorky]

Don't know who is the biggest clown. The keeper or the person who picked him.

[John am Rhein]

Rafa is still the best thing the club can get as manager.

 

That's the bottom line.

[Gomez]

Don't see what else Rafa could have done today.

 

It was our first choice defence (which f*cked up twice), the midfield was not a problem, they actually played very well, dominated possession and created more than enough chances for us to win that game 10 times over. We only had two fit strikers and they played. It is also in Itanje's contract that he plays in early cup matches, otherwise they won't sign.

[Logic]

Rafa is still the best thing the club can get as manager.

Based on what?

 

You really think he's the only available manager that can make us challenge for 4th place and win a few cups every now and then?

[Barnesy_10]

Pako leaving...... I think its time we all accepted that that is the reason its all gone t*** up...

The start of the season saw us play some adventurous and more fluid football.... Pako leaves... then we beat Derby 6-0 which was enough to convince some that 'we would be ok'.... but then it went t*** up....

 

The fact that we can't get the basics right points to what the f*** happens in training...

Pako was more vital to this squad than many realise... Rafa needs him alongside him... they had a partnership for years.... its bound to have an affect, and it has.

[galés rojo]

Rafa is still the best thing the club can get as manager.

 

I'm not so sure the best manager and the right manager are the same thing. In my opinion Benitez is one of the best managers in europe however I don't think he is the right man for Liverpool.

Edited February 16, 2008 by galés rojo

[Barnesy_10]

Based on what?

 

You really think he's the only available manager that can make us challenge for 4th place and win a few cups every now and then?

agree... Its a sorry state of affairs if Rafa is the only manager who can get us competing for fourth year in year out.

People need to drop the love affair with him..... I could understand it in a way if he had us playing sublime and exciting football... but its the exact opposite..

[Gomez]

2 things about the keeper

 

1. Its been reported that its in his contract that he plays certain cup games, not sure if thats true mind.

2. Our 2nd choice keeper should be able to handle Barnsley at home.

 

If Pepe had picked up an injury today and was out of the Inter game then we'd be in a lot of trouble.

 

As for the other points, Alonso needs games, i agree im not sure why Babel was taken off.

 

But we created enough chances to win 5 games today is it Rafa's fault we didnt take them?

 

Neither goal was itanje's fault, the (first choice) defence had more than enough chances to clear the danger. Stop trying to blame him just so you can by proxy blame Rafa.

[Guest newfavouriteplayer]

FFS, Babel was awful, stepovers shure, Didn't have anything in the second half. I can't believe you blame Rafa. The players should have enough respect for the Club, and themselves and demolish a midtable championship side. This should have been Rafa's day off. Rafa is still the best thing the club can get as manager.

 

fool.

 

he's making players worse because he puts tactical systems above the ability to coach and motivate players.

 

the squad is on a decline precisely because of Rafa. i'd rather have an interim who at least will restore confidence in individual players and introduce some cohesion and consistency before a more permanent appointment in the summer.

 

he is wrecking players careers out there

[Guest Snorky]

fool.

 

he's making players worse because he puts tactical systems above the ability to coach and motivate players.

 

the squad is on a decline precisely because of Rafa. i'd rather have an interim who at least will restore confidence in individual players and introduce some cohesion and consistency before a more permanent appointment in the summer.

 

he is wrecking players careers out there

 

totally agree.

[alias75]

Neither goal was itanje's fault, the (first choice) defence had more than enough chances to clear the danger. Stop trying to blame him just so you can by proxy blame Rafa.

 

wasnt criticising the keeper just trying to explain why he was picked to the topic starter.

[Guest Kaizer]

Alonso and lucas in the middle. A kid and a player injured and dropped recently with bad form. The substitution of babel for kewel. Complete f***ing madness. Why does a rotation policy include a f***ing keeper??? Bad bad bad.

 

Alonso was the best player on the pitch, Lucas has been hailed by a lot on here, not including me though, but nothing wrong in playing Brazilian player of the year in 2007 against Championship strugglers Barnsley.

 

Babel was poor, wasted the ball a lot of the time and did not keep the ball, Kewell had two great opportunities to score and we stepped it u after Babel left the pitch.

Itandje made a couple of great saves and could not be blamed for the goals.

 

Whats the point in your post other than saying look at me, I am not able to see the big picture, and I`m a knee jerker.

 

We were the best team by far and should have won the game easily if our layers had been able to convert their chances.

[McBain]

I dont blame his lineup. But he clearly has lost the players. They must know his job is on the line yet they barely seem bothered. There's so many things wrong right now it would take a day to list them

 

And re Itandje. If he'd stayed on his line he could have stopped the first goal with his eyes closed. It was a f*** up. And not his first

[alias75]

fool.

 

he's making players worse because he puts tactical systems above the ability to coach and motivate players.

 

the squad is on a decline precisely because of Rafa. i'd rather have an interim who at least will restore confidence in individual players and introduce some cohesion and consistency before a more permanent appointment in the summer.

 

he is wrecking players careers out there

 

the argument against that is there are players in the squad that have improved under Rafa

 

Reina, Agger, Finnan, Carra, Mascherano, Torres, Crouch are all better players now than when we bought them i think its easy to blame Rafa for players playing poorly but surely the blame should primarily be with the player themselves. I dont see Mascherano looking for excuses he doesnt need to be motivated because hes a born winner and he has pride in his performance.

 

Some players will look for any excuse to take the easy way out, if the manager is under pressure some players will use that as an excuse for their own poor performance. We need strong charachters like Reina, Mascherano that motivate themselves by trying to constantly improve as players and produce performances to a consistely high level.

 

Rafa may have come to the end of the road here, but so have about 6 or 7 players, using Rafa as the reason for the performances of some of our players is letting them off far too lightly.

[Chili Palmer]

the argument against that is there are players in the squad that have improved under Rafa

 

Reina, Agger, Finnan, Carra, Mascherano, Torres, Crouch are all better players now than when we bought them i think its easy to blame Rafa for players playing poorly but surely the blame should primarily be with the player themselves. I dont see Mascherano looking for excuses he doesnt need to be motivated because hes a born winner and he has pride in his performance.

 

Some players will look for any excuse to take the easy way out, if the manager is under pressure some players will use that as an excuse for their own poor performance. We need strong charachters like Reina, Mascherano that motivate themselves by trying to constantly improve as players and produce performances to a consistely high level.

 

Rafa may have come to the end of the road here, but so have about 6 or 7 players, using Rafa as the reason for the performances of some of our players is letting them off far too lightly.

 

100% spot on

[smicer07]

We would have been 1-0 down early on if it wasn't for a superb save by Itandje. Swings and roundabouts.

[Guest newfavouriteplayer]

the argument against that is there are players in the squad that have improved under Rafa

 

Reina, Agger, Finnan, Carra, Mascherano, Torres, Crouch are all better players now than when we bought them i think its easy to blame Rafa for players playing poorly but surely the blame should primarily be with the player themselves. I dont see Mascherano looking for excuses he doesnt need to be motivated because hes a born winner and he has pride in his performance.

 

Some players will look for any excuse to take the easy way out, if the manager is under pressure some players will use that as an excuse for their own poor performance. We need strong charachters like Reina, Mascherano that motivate themselves by trying to constantly improve as players and produce performances to a consistely high level.

 

Rafa may have come to the end of the road here, but so have about 6 or 7 players, using Rafa as the reason for the performances of some of our players is letting them off far too lightly.

 

which basically means for rafa to succeed he needs a squad of absolutley talented self motivating, self teaching players. that's fine - not all managers get involved in the vulgar business of actually coaching players - but at least they don't get rid of decent coaches when they have them

[BG]

Don't know who is the biggest clown. The keeper or the person who picked him.

 

Further options:

c) Parry

d) Anyone who has wanted Rafa sacked, then backed, then sacked in the space of 4 months.

[Guest Snorky]

Further options:

c) Parry

d) Anyone who has wanted Rafa sacked, then backed, then sacked in the space of 4 months.

 

Twist it as much as you want if it makes you feel better.

[Crazy Horse]

100% spot on

 

Yeah, I agree too. In my ideal world, I'd like to see a major major squad clear-out this summer and give Rafa another couple of seasons.

 

I think Rafa is light years ahead of the players and the owners. There's a lot of people at the club who need to be f***ed off. It'll be sad if Rafa is the one who pays for the backwards, insular 1980s attitudes that we still apparently can't get rid of. And what hope for a new manager inheriting the same bulls***.

[alias75]

which basically means for rafa to succeed he needs a squad of absolutley talented self motivating, self teaching players. that's fine - not all managers get involved in the vulgar business of actually coaching players - but at least they don't get rid of decent coaches when they have them

 

Personally i think some of the bigger culprits were here before Rafa, theres Kewell whose been a waste of space, and Riise whose performances have been very poor recently.

 

I dont want to turn this into an anti Gerrard thread but i think as captain he has a job among the players if he sees 1 or 2 slacking off to put them straight. Every manager needs that element among his players, can you imagine Roy Keane accepting some of the performances we've seen from certain players this season?

 

Of course we don't know if Gerrard is doing something or not but the fact is if he is its having no effect on the pitch.

 

I think we have some good charachters in the team, people like Reina, and Mascherano and Hyppia are top pros, we need more people with this type of winning mentality.

[Molby]

agree... Its a sorry state of affairs if Rafa is the only manager who can get us competing for fourth year in year out.

People need to drop the love affair with him..... I could understand it in a way if he had us playing sublime and exciting football... but its the exact opposite..

 

 

go back to your point about the damage caused by Pako leaving and not having a number 2

 

G and H wouldn't let Rafa bring in his preferred replacement for Pako