Manc derby

[Guest Snorky]

Is it just me in thinking that Man United actually want City fans to ruin the minutes silence so as to prove a point or take the moral high ground ?

 

I can't remember such a kafuffel over a minutes silence before.

[RP]

What are the chances of there actually being anything approcahing 1 minute of silence? 10/15 seconds max, I reckon.

[muleskinner]

They have been going on about it for so long, its bound not to be observed. Its been in the football news since well before Christmas.

[sean]

I was thinking the non-United fans at Croke Park would've broke the silence but the announcer was clever enough not to mention Busby's Babes and only talk about Liam Whelan.

[Guest Snorky]

I was thinking the non-United fans at Croke Park would've broke the silence but the announcer was clever enough not to mention Busby's Babes and only talk about Liam Whelan.

 

You mean the stadium announcer who said "Time for the International Soccer Match" as the teams walked onto the pitch ?

 

He might as well of said "Time for Soccertainment".

 

There are some people who should be nowhere near a mic

[RP]

Croke Park, not Wembley.

[Stevie H]

yes. 'sean' is an english lad living in dublin.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Hopefully there will be a mass and sustained brawl which results in both clubs being fined £1,000,000 and having 20 points deducted.

[Woodsyla]

What are the chances of there actually being anything approcahing 1 minute of silence? 10/15 seconds max, I reckon.

 

Well they only got 30 secs at Wembley so 10/15 seems a tad optimistic.

[sean]

yes. 'sean' is an english lad living in dublin.

 

 

Git-face

[John am Rhein]

Well they only got 30 secs at Wembley so 10/15 seems a tad optimistic.

 

Stop watch on stand by...

 

and yes, the filth fans want City to make a noise during their precious silence

[Ostrich Man]

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Edited February 7, 2008 by Ostrich Man

[DanielS]

do you?

 

No, but it is getting increasingly difficult to avoid noticing the vast number of merchandising and advertising oppurtunities that are being exploited at this time by the club calling on all and sundry to show some respect...

 

How a £50 cashmere scarf with appropriate labelling and badges shows respect to the memory of a genius like Duncan Edwards is beyond me.

[Ostrich Man]

so because UTD are selling a £50 scarf thatll be ok for others to disrespect a minutes silence?

 

Personally speaking i wouldnt buy one, but i know therell be people out there who will....if in doing so they feel they are celebrating the busby babes as a team and respecting the dead such as Duncan Edwards, then thats their call...fans of dead people sometimes will wear t-shirts with that persons image on them, one of my mates has a bill shankly t-shirt...is that appropiate?

 

 

I for one do not want city fans to disrupt the minutes silence, im hoping it all passes off quietly, though ive no doubt there would be some utd fans who secretly do hope they disrupt it, for the reasons mentioned above...just as ive no doubt that if the liverpool derby occurs around the 50th anniversary of hillsborough most people would wish for a minutes silence to be respected by all, but youll have some who will want everton fans to break it for the exact same reasons.

 

football fans = indivduals = some decent, some scum.

[DanielS]

so because UTD are selling a £50 scarf thatll be ok for others to disrespect a minutes silence?

 

Personally speaking i wouldnt buy one, but i know therell be people out there who will....if in doing so they feel they are celebrating the busby babes as a team and respecting the dead such as Duncan Edwards, then thats their call...fans of dead people sometimes will wear t-shirts with that persons image on them, one of my mates has a bill shankly t-shirt...is that appropiate?

I for one do not want city fans to disrupt the minutes silence, im hoping it all passes off quietly, though ive no doubt there would be some utd fans who secretly do hope they disrupt it, for the reasons mentioned above...just as ive no doubt that if the liverpool derby occurs around the 50th anniversary of hillsborough most people would wish for a minutes silence to be respected by all, but youll have some who will want everton fans to break it for the exact same reasons.

 

football fans = indivduals = some decent, some scum.

 

I didn't even come close to mentioning that it would be okay. I just find the money grabbing one minute and the "you must have respect" announcements the next to be a bit hypocritical.

[Ostrich Man]

havent heard the club say "you must have respect" once...all theyve done is say "we're not having a minutes applause, we're having a minutes silence" how people choose to act during that time is up to them....no-one can force them to do anything.

[Bigal]

so because UTD are selling a £50 scarf thatll be ok for others to disrespect a minutes silence?

 

Personally speaking i wouldnt buy one, but i know therell be people out there who will....if in doing so they feel they are celebrating the busby babes as a team and respecting the dead such as Duncan Edwards, then thats their call...fans of dead people sometimes will wear t-shirts with that persons image on them, one of my mates has a bill shankly t-shirt...is that appropiate?

I for one do not want city fans to disrupt the minutes silence, im hoping it all passes off quietly, though ive no doubt there would be some utd fans who secretly do hope they disrupt it, for the reasons mentioned above...just as ive no doubt that if the liverpool derby occurs around the 50th anniversary of hillsborough most people would wish for a minutes silence to be respected by all, but youll have some who will want everton fans to break it for the exact same reasons.

 

football fans = indivduals = some decent, some scum.

 

bloody hell, I think the 12th or 13th anniversary of hilsborough wasnt well respected....when we beat them 3-2 at goodison

[sutty]

I know some of the match going mancs want this disrupted so that they haver an excuse to give city fans a hiding outside the ground. I'm sure there are some that want to judge city fans as well, albeit non violently.

 

I've had this conversation with mancs - what's more important here having a slightly more appropriate method of rememberance with a high risk of it being ruined, or having a slightly less appropriate one that almost certainly will be?

 

It's the 50 year anniversary - you only get one shot at it.

[Ostrich Man]

depends on your viewpoint....as you say you only get one shot at it, but does that mean that just because you think some people may break it that you forget about it and do a minutes applause instead...just on the offchance...i feel a minutes silence is more appropiate to remember all those killed in an air crash than a minutes applause.

 

if the shoe was on the other foot would you want a minutes applause or silence for the 96?

 

again personally speaking i dont think its appropiate to show our respects for those who died in those tragedies by all clapping so we drown out the scum.

 

 

abandoning the silence for applause just because theres c**** in this world feels a cop out to me.

 

and if city fans do break it and you get some UTD fans responding during the minutes silence theyre as guilty as the city fans....maintain the silnce till the whistle blows then let your feelings be known.

[sutty]

depends on your viewpoint....as you say you only get one shot at it, but does that mean that just because you think some people may break it that you forget about it and do a minutes applause instead...just on the offchance...i feel a minutes silence is more appropiate to remember all those killed in an air crash than a minutes applause.

 

if the shoe was on the other foot would you want a minutes applause or silence for the 96?

 

again personally speaking i dont think its appropiate to show our respects for those who died in those tragedies by all clapping so we drown out the scum.

abandoning the silence for applause just because theres c**** in this world feels a cop out to me.

 

and if city fans do break it and you get some UTD fans responding during the minutes silence theyre as guilty as the city fans....maintain the silnce till the whistle blows then let your feelings be known.

 

Hillsborough isn't the same really - because you could of course say that you were celebrating the talent of the Busby Babes (a la George Best for example) whereas it's difficult to put a case for that with the 96.

 

I suppose the counter argument is that it wasn't just the 8 united players that died that day.

 

I don't think it's an off chance, that's the issue. I think it is 99% certain. If we were playing anybody other than United or Everton on the day of a Hillsborough anniversary, I'd be confident it would be observed - and I think for united it would be the same, if it wasn't city or us. But the fact is that it is city.

[sutty]

I also lose sympathy with the mancs in that in the past few years, since Istanbul pretty much, the mancs have been trying to get liverpool fans to sing Munich by taunting constantly.

[Ostrich Man]

c**** on both sides sutty, but its easier to paint with a broad brush.

[sutty]

c**** on both sides sutty, but its easier to paint with a broad brush.

 

If you are in the ground at OT, I think you'd see it differently.

 

My last post was a bit naughty, as it isn't that relevant to the anniversary really

 

My view is that on the applause v silence thing - the silence will almost certainly be ruined and you'll have nothing.

[Knoxy]

I also lose sympathy with the mancs in that in the past few years, since Istanbul pretty much, the mancs have been trying to get liverpool fans to sing Munich by taunting constantly.

 

Istanbul destroyed them and made them desperate

 

I like that.

 

Agree with you re the minutes applause vs silence for Munich. A minutes silence is totally ruined if a couple of idiots decide to shout out, and it's almost certain to happen. The chance to show respect on a one off large scale is instantly lost

[sutty]

Istanbul destroyed them and made them desperate

 

I like that.

 

Agree with you re the minutes applause vs silence for Munich. A minutes silence is totally ruined if a couple of idiots decide to shout out, and it's almost certain to happen. The chance to show respect on a one off large scale is instantly lost

 

 

Some of the lads who go the match at united freely admit it