Toni Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 This is the crux of the problem. We lost vs Bolton because we did not create enough clear-cut chances. Ok the linesman fecked us over and we played better than bolton and certainly the scorline at the end of the match wasnt a just one BUT: IF we really are true and genuine title challengers we should at least grasp a draw from such a match when the tide strongly turns against you. IMO although we were better than them, we weren't dangerous enough, and this can somewhat be reflected on our team again this season. We take too many shots fron the 30 yard mark. Why?? That is an attribute of a team who can't penetrate the opposing defence. Thus albiet being superiour we do not know how to be dangerous. Who s at fault? It all boils down to one department on the pitch and that is WIDTH. Finally this season in our squad we included out-and-out wingers in the form of Pennant and Gonzalez. Although it is too early in the season to decide if they are worthy of an LFC shirt or not, one can certainly comment on their performances thus far: Pennant albeit showing flashes of real brilliance has been generally poor so far. we bought him to run at players, rip opposing full-backs apart and cross FROM BEHIND THE FUL-BACKS, a trait he has succeded in doing very little this season. Gonzalez doesnt seem to have yet adapted to the Premiership and has played very little what has beeen said of pennant applies to him. Thus we need these two to hit peak form soon, then perhaps we can start seeing the real LFC of the year 2006-2007.If they are already at peak form and ability-wise they can t improve their game, we r in for another season hoping for that third / fourth place in the Premiership.
Cooldude Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 We kinda need a genuine no.10 type playmaker Garcia would in theory help since he's our most creative player but in away games he gets kicked outta the game, he's been tremandous at Anfield this season We miss Kewell, he might not be setting the world on fire like he was at Leeds, but he's still an intelligent player who always gave us width last season. Surprised that Gonzalez doesn't get more starts, Pennant's a good crosser but he doesn't have the blistering pace that Gonzalez do have and he's a great cross as well.
Figaro Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Bring back Morientes and give him the same run of matches that Bellamy's having.
Cobs Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Bring back Morientes and give him the same run of matches that Bellamy's having.
trowie Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 The laugh says it all, but seeing him svcore one 'of those type' of goals sunday makes me wish ....if only
Cobs Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 The laugh says it all, but seeing him svcore one 'of those type' of goals sunday makes me wish ....if onlyMoro got a run of games - Rafa was picking him saying he need to be picked cos he wasn't scoring cos he was lacking in confidence doing the same thing now with Bellamy, it appears. Play betterdon't be ridiculous, Will.
Figaro Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Moro got a run of games - Rafa was picking him saying he need to be picked cos he wasn't scoring cos he was lacking in confidence In the words of the reformed Monkees: "That was then, this is now"
trowie Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Moro got a run of games - Rafa was picking him saying he need to be picked cos he wasn't scoring cos he was lacking in confidence doing the same thing now with Bellamy, it appears.don't be ridiculous, Will.It still didn't stop me wishing if only.Whether or not he couldn't do it for us, I wish he had - What's wrong with that.
Cobs Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 It still didn't stop me wishing if only.Whether or not he couldn't do it for us, I wish he had - What's wrong with that.nothing i wish i was really good at football and played for Liverpool, then we'd be top of the League all year round HURRAH!!!!!!!! In the words of the reformed Monkees: "That was then, this is now" SiGN mIcKy DoLENz !!! or something
matty Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Sort out the Gerrard's farrago. Find a way to fit him into a position consistently where he's most effective. Switch to 3-5-2. Play Pennant-Gerrard-Sissoko-Alonso-Gonzalez in midfield. Thanks.
Cobs Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Sort out the Gerrard's farrago. Find a way to fit him into a position consistently where he's most effective. Switch to 3-5-2. Play Pennant-Gerrard-Sissoko-Alonso-Gonzalez in midfield. Thanks.who are you advocating as our back 3?
realtarragona Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Our midfield is over-rated, that's one reason why.
Bootle Buck Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 I think we look like Arsenal away from home at times. We string togethor some very intricate passing moves. However, don't get enough shots on goal. So many times we seem to give that final telling pass away. I think Xabi, Momo and Stevie have all been guilty of rushing the final pass and therefore not creating the openings for Kuyt/Bellamy and Crouch. They inn turn have to come back many times to get the ball.
anfield Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Our midfield is over-rated, that's one reason why. Its not overrated, it very unbalanced though. Alonso and Sissoko too defensively employed, and Gerrard out wide most of the time, means no threat down the center. Of course its all well and good saying we need a creative no. 10 but I can't imagine who that would be seeing as apparently Alonso and Gerrard in the middle doesnt work either. Perhaps play Sissoko in Alonso's holding role and push Alonso further up front.......and GET PLAYERS INT EH BOX TO SUPPORT THE ATTACK!
Benzo-13 Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 We kinda need a genuine no.10 type playmaker Garcia would in theory help since he's our most creative player but in away games he gets kicked outta the game, he's been tremandous at Anfield this season We miss Kewell, he might not be setting the world on fire like he was at Leeds, but he's still an intelligent player who always gave us width last season. Surprised that Gonzalez doesn't get more starts, Pennant's a good crosser but he doesn't have the blistering pace that Gonzalez do have and he's a great cross as well. That's been my theory away from home. That we need a No.10 type to play off Kuyt and bring the play together.. Xabi is the quarter-back type but he really doesn't have anyone that shows for the ball lately.
Rimbeux Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) Wide players stay wide, central midfielders, forwards and fullbacks, hey rest of the team why not, pass to them in space Edited October 2, 2006 by Rimbeux
Cooldude Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Our midfield is over-rated, that's one reason why. I don't think it's overrated, they still control games from the middle like no other, but offensive-wise it's not creating as many chances for us as we hope they would
tomasjj Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) Not enough tempo on the ball, which is impossible when we dont have enough movement off the ball.As for pass and move, we have a lot of passers, but not enough movers... Actually, see how Arsenal attack and how much movement they have.... we are static to say the least in comparism. Edited October 2, 2006 by tomasjj
realtarragona Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 I don't think it's overrated, they still control games from the middle like no other, but offensive-wise it's not creating as many chances for us as we hope they would We supposedly control the midfield in every game we play but it doesn't always get us very far. Plus the movement in the midfield say at the mancs for example is much better. You do wonder why a midfield with O'Shea and Fletcher looks more of a threat going forward than ours often does (well is at the moment anyway). Movement and tempo must be part of it.
Guest Barcamania Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Our midfield is over-rated, that's one reason why.yepp, agreed. I read here and n other Liverpool sites that Alonso-Sissoko-Gerrard is the best midfield. You must be kidding, it's not best even in England!I would say it's not better than Chelsea and Arsenal midfields.There's no creativity from midfield at all and when wingers and strikers aren't world class, that's a problem. Gerrard may score 23 goals a season, but other quality attacking midfielders score 23 and set up 23 each season.
Mikey Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 yepp, agreed. I read here and n other Liverpool sites that Alonso-Sissoko-Gerrard is the best midfield. You must be kidding, it's not best even in England!I would say it's not better than Chelsea and Arsenal midfields.There's no creativity from midfield at all and when wingers and strikers aren't world class, that's a problem. Gerrard may score 23 goals a season, but other quality attacking midfielders score 23 and set up 23 each season.Ronaldhino and who? Last season Gerrard was the best European attacking midfielder playing, give him a break please. This season Alonso has been below par, and we keep chopping and changing our wide players - there lies the problem to me.
Guest ritchie_50 Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) Well Bolton had 2 shots on Saturday and scored them both, so they created enough for them. Edited October 2, 2006 by ritchie_50
meepins Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 Theres really a lot of good points brought by everyone in the thread. We do have the players to pass like Arsenal but we certainly do not pass like them. Back when arsenal were at their peak the passing had all of the incision , urgency and precision we are lacking at the moment for which there is very valid reasons such as balance and the relative immaturity of the squad as a team. We've only seen glimpses of what the team is capable of and there is no better man than Rafa Benitez to get it working like it should.
Guest prophet Posted October 3, 2006 Posted October 3, 2006 Theres really a lot of good points brought by everyone in the thread. We do have the players to pass like Arsenal but we certainly do not pass like them. Back when arsenal were at their peak the passing had all of the incision , urgency and precision we are lacking at the moment for which there is very valid reasons such as balance and the relative immaturity of the squad as a team. We've only seen glimpses of what the team is capable of and there is no better man than Rafa Benitez to get it working like it should. if we are having players who can pass but not, isnt that thr problem of the coaches to do so? imo as some here, the rotation is causing lotsa hassle to the fludity and confidence of the players
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