Nat Phillips, bless him, is an average defender who could make a name in league 1 possibly. I think Williams is a better player, although neither of them are currently good enough to play in a system such as ours, which is high risk. You need to be alert, quick and good on the ball. Both need to be playing at a lower level at this moment and probably would had we not had the injuries and also because we were a man short at the start of the season