JRC

If the first was the cynical Chilwell foul, there was another player who realised he could carry on being a t*** until he finally stepped over a mark even Kavanagh couldn't miss (although mitigating it by booking Bradley as well, unfairly) - Chilwell should already have been off by that point.

And Greek...

Wow. I think Joelinton got away with 5 and it was virtually unprecedented. And wasn't one of Caicedo's a very deliberate, cynical handball?

TBF, I think that offside rule has been applied before, iirc - last time we met them in the Caraboa Cup final Matip had a goal disallowed because Virgil was offside and James or someone couldn't easily move into a position where he still couldn't affect the goal anyway. So there you have it - only comes out the CC final against us Vs them, like Brigadoon. Sorted, good process lads. Btw, anyone got Caiceidos foul count yesterday, looked to be beating the record Joelinton set earlier this season for uncarded persistence even without the waved away one that got our lad stretchered off.

Endo was stood offside, as is always true of someone, but the implication of that decision is that every goal from a free kick now needs checking for any attacking player being a toe nail offside in case they moved in the general direction of the ball or passed within a metre of a defender, even if they are not the scorer or were even anywhere near them.

Good point. Jurgens brilliance this season has probably been seen in his in-play changes, especially subs in the last 30 minutes - the heightened pressure of extant and potential injuries atm, plus the possibility of a further 30 minutes, make that even harder. Good job he's a f***ing miracle worker.

Don't think we should look so far afield, need to go local.

"So that's what I'm going to do now"

Souness was an assassin, and as a genuine hardman would never take a backward step or be intimidated. Always think Ronnie Whelan was underestimated as a hard man - more so than his higher profile hard reputation partner McMahon. His removal of the dangerous Mark Chamberlain (AOCs dad) from the 92 semi final at Highbury was brutal and thoroughly professional. From olden days, few were harder than Dave McKay - who, iirc, was an idol of the younger Souness. Honourable mention for Johnny Morrissey - nippy little winger, but gave significantly better than he got. One of only 2 names, apparently, left uncrossed in Jack Charlton's little black book of retribution when Jack retired.

The lino was literally stood next to it as well. Felt like he was trolling Klopp into a second yellow it was so egregious.

Not helped by 2 massively incompetent assistant referees. Aside from missing fouls under their noses or direct line of sight, neither gave a decision on a throw-in or corner/goal kick without checking with ref first, even when he was clearly wrong (both ways, generally). Tierney was on VAR at Luton for those shambolic penalty shouts. Of course. He's bald as well now, isn't he? Conspiracy!

Seen it since, and by the standards of the day, it was probably correct as Keegan was moving back from an offside position when Lindsay knocks the first ball in to him. Shame, would have been an all time great Final goal, and we deserved 4-0

I'll give you that he had an awkward gait - one of his best games was on an ice covered pitch which didn't seem to affect him as much as everyone else because his run was so awkward anyway - and his form period was short, not least due to a really bad injury he never recovered fully from; but this is what Kenny had to say about the 86 final "Headlines were being prepared in salute of Rushie and Jan. In the dressing room we all rushed to congratulate Kevin MacDonald," Dalglish said. "He got in among Everton's midfield, taking the fight to Reidy, reclaiming the ball time after time. Never one of the most celebrated footballers, Kevin Mac will always be remembered fondly for the turning the Blue Tide back at Wembley in May 1986." Another hot take? In the iconic 5-1 demolition of Forest in 88, our best player was Spackman.

Beat me to it. We were outstanding that night, should have won by more. Was brutal around Villa Park getting out, those lovely Hammers weren't happy and kept launching attacks from the side streets. Wast there in 74 as well, which was comprehensive to say the least, although there were the usual fears when first half dominance didn't lead to a goal - soon put it right in the 2nd, and one of the most one-sided finals you're likely to see. And don't diss Kevin MacDonald. His form was a prime reason for us catching Everton and winning the 86 double, after a really difficult start with us - legitimately kept McMahon out of the team for half a season.

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I'm chilled, because he has made the decision on his own terms, the team and legacy are in a good place and there is time for us to celebrate with him before he goes, as at Dortmund. Was going to happen soon anyway, would not be surprised if he hasn't factored in his replacement and assessed that it's good timing for them as well, both in terms of where we are and how ready/available they may be. Wonder if his mate as interim DoF in the summer helped with his thinking? If it is Alonso, especially - although true for whoever - then a strong, supportive DoF is crucial. Not sure who fits the bill.

That he will never lead us out for a CL game again got to me, even though I've been pretty chilled otherwise about it.

Usually like Wilson, but that's ridiculously (and unexpectedly, from him) shallow in terms of analysis of us and City, especially compared to the stuff about Arsenal; and the dig about us, refs, conspiracy and the 2nd penalty is just Twitter level snide and unworthy.

Weird Clattenberg said the push wasn't worth a penalty. If you did that to a player about to head the ball or take a shot, it would be a foul - that there was no ball doesn't make it less of a foul, and it actively gave an advantage to the side committing the offence. Should have done it to Gabriel on Saturday - shoved him beyond the last defender. Or shoving a player out of a wall - why not if it's not a foul?

Yeah, I understand that, and the broadcasters complicity shouldn't come as a surprise, but still frustrated that those with such a vested, commercial interest in the quality of the game aren't kicking up more of a stink. The PL and FA haven't shown the slightest interest in questioning PGMOL fitness either, but they're hardly paragons of rectitude. Who are PGMOL contracted to, how much for, how long for and what performance levels, obligations and penalties are in place? Are they audited or subject to compliance standards? Who are the genuine alternative providers that might replace them next time round? Or is it just a cosy arrangement to shift money into favoured pockets? f***s me off big time that no-one is asking, no journos even.

Wolves and Brighton might have a shout, but PGMOL seem to have moved on from that strategy; not seen anything about the Arsenal handball other than the original statement which was doubled down nonsense, made up b******s that didn't even correspond to the evidence everyone could see for themselves. They are basically just taking us for mugs and laughing in our faces. What I don't get is why the broadcasters who have just agreed a small fortune for rights don't complain more that these clown-car charlatans are damaging the 'product' and should be replaced ASAP.

Matterface was talking about it yesterday, he was commentating remotely, said the info from VAR was terrible for them, they had no idea what was happening.