What about their lack of success before that though RiH, 1988 aside. TbH i reckon their lack of penalty taking ability in 96, 98 and 2000 is what really held them back. That and a Maniche special. You're right though. If they are embarrasing the nation everytime they speak then just send them home or don't let them speak. Harmony is more important. I think bogarde is different to the rest of the players you mention though RiH. Those boys can play. Evans was interested in bogarde. Sheesh