Why do the refs not see things against chelsea?

[ricflairandy]

Weve now had 10 clear penaltys not awarded against chelsea. 11 if you count the goal given instead in the champs semi.

 

These are not, "ooh, that could have been a pen" these are nailed on stonewall pens that the refs for some reason are scared to give. ITs not that they dont see them, for instance mike riley put the whistle to his mouth and then changed his mind at anfield, and whiley made us retake a corner after the elbow on kewell yesterday.

 

Yet chelsea got there first ever pen claim against us awarded without a seconds thought at anfield earlier in the season. You might say "but it was a clear pen" but so where the other 10 that we have not been given.

 

Is it just pure incompatence, is it scared refs or is it somthing more sinnister.

 

What gets me, is that the media just laugh about it, as do pundits as if its all a big joke and nothing serious. I know the game yesterday was lost by our inability to finish, but that to me makes the little desicsions that chelsea get away with all the more important , especially in tight games.

 

 

Its not just penaltys. Gudjohnson clearly handled the ball yesterday, but no pundits felt it was worth mentioning. Reina clearly got the ball, yet gudjohnson went down and stayed down as if hed been shot. And then you have the robben incident, in which gallas and terry both get away with what could be described as attacks on reina.

 

And it doesnt stop in games against us. Terry should have missed a few games few suspension recently, as hes had 3 clear as anything handballs in his last 4 games for chelsea. one of which , the double handed save that a keeper would have been prowd of. All of these incidents have been clearly seen by refs who have waived play on.

 

And it doesnt stop there, along with the diving, conning of refs, faking injury, time wasting and attempting to injure opponents(lampard and essien spring to mind) they also have carvalho pulling down players slyly time and time again, and getting away with it.

 

Despite the fact that they obviously have very good players(and youd hope so for the millions spent) and can on there day play good football against the lesser sides, the cheating element, and the frequency in which they get away with it amazes me. Its far more than man utd ever got away with, and far more blatent. Its so bad, that it spoils the games.

 

 

 

 

Anyway, im not using it as an excuse for yesteradys result, as both goals where fair and our inability to finish cost us imo. BUT it does grate, because week after week when they are up against it or facing a possible loss or draw , these things cheating events seem to conspire in there favour. And it just adds to the lack of respect that i have and ever will hold for chelseas wins under that regime. A respect that i have in the past begrudgingly had for both arsenal and man utd.

Edited February 6, 2006 by ricflairandy

[Buzz]

Same way that didn't see them when ManU were flying high.

[ricflairandy]

Same way that didn't see them when ManU were flying high.

 

 

I disagree, man utd got away with things yes, but nothing as blatent or as frequent as what is happening now with chelsea.

[Andy @ Allerton]

I think we used to get away with quite a lot in the 70s and 80s.

[ricflairandy]

I think we used to get away with quite a lot in the 70s and 80s.

 

 

This much? I honestly dont think so.

[owenthomas]

how the f*** Carvalho constantly gets away with his fouling at set pieces is ludicrous.. even yesterday, he blatantly dragged Kewell and elbowed him and so - as the corner had been taken - that's a foul in the area, thus a penalty.. it's beyond comical..

[Earl Hafler]

Carvalho uses every trick in the book...still amazed how he got away with that foul on the keeper against Barca.

He was sent off a few weeks ago for two yellow cards but he makes red card offences seemingly every week.

And Makelele - " oooh look i've just accidentally stumbled into the player with the ball and caught him with my elbow / knee / machete ". **** off

Then there's Terry, who must have a copy of Henchoz's Guide To The Art Of Handball on his coffee table.

[Stevie H]

Same way that didn't see them when ManU were flying high.

 

agree with that. team at the top always gets the rub of the green.

[Flasher]

About time we started being a bit 'clever' too IMO.

 

Stop moaning, support each other on the pitch and get the result. Not at any cost, obviously, but you know what I mean.

 

It was always the same on the international scene with England players/managers moaning about Italy or whoever. Things are different now because people like Beckham, Ferdinand, Neville, Cole etc have adapted and 'give it back'.

 

When Manure were pushing for the European Cup before the 1999 victory it was the same for them too. They spend a few years being 'hard done by' then adapted and played the same way.

 

There's a fine line between a winning mentality and blatant cheating, we need to know what that line is and sit ourselves firmly on it.

[ricflairandy]

About time we started being a bit 'clever' too IMO.

 

Stop moaning, support each other on the pitch and get the result. Not at any cost, obviously, but you know what I mean.

 

It was always the same on the international scene with England players/managers moaning about Italy or whoever. Things are different now because people like Beckham, Ferdinand, Neville, Cole etc have adapted and 'give it back'.

 

When Manure were pushing for the European Cup before the 1999 victory it was the same for them too. They spend a few years being 'hard done by' then adapted and played the same way.

 

There's a fine line between a winning mentality and blatant cheating, we need to know what that line is and sit ourselves firmly on it.

 

 

Or just over the edge.

[Guest Syfer]

stop whining, the score would have been way worse if the linesman had done his job.

[smicer07]

If the linesman had done his job, Carvalho would have been sent off and Reina wouldn't (clear handball by Gudjohnsen)

[ricflairandy]

stop whining, the score would have been way worse if the linesman had done his job.

 

 

Would it? Would the score have been way worse if carvalio had rightly been sent off for elbowing kewell? Or if we had a pen when gallas pulled cisse down with 10 mins to go?

[Guest Syfer]

-carvalho wouldnt have been sent off

-reina wouldnt have been sent off

-you will probably have been awarded a penalty

-chelsea would have scored two extra goals, they had one wich was disallowed and that gigantic chance that would have ended with a goal, but was called off due to the linesman thinking it was offside.

 

stop whining

[ricflairandy]

-carvalho wouldnt have been sent off

-reina wouldnt have been sent off

-you will probably have been awarded a penalty

-chelsea would have scored two extra goals, they had one wich was disallowed and that gigantic chance that would have ended with a goal, but was called off due to the linesman thinking it was offside.

 

stop whining

 

 

I see, your a chelsea fan. I get it now.

 

And why you think carvaliho shouldnt have walked for elbowing someone in the face? or gallas for pulling down cisse?

 

And thats 2 pens, if we talking about the officials doing there jobs correctly

[Guest Syfer]

im not a chelsea fan, i despise them.

 

the carvalho situation was inside the box during a corner, it hardly looked deliberate,nothing to cry about. why should gallas get sent off for pulling down cisse ? it was a penalty, nothing more, nothing less, stop being such a spastic.

 

chelsea had several clear goal chances that were called off due to the linesman mistaking it for an offside, they also had a goal that was disallowed.

 

a fair score would have been 4-1 or 4-2 then.

would that make you happy ?

[smicer07]

The linesman made one bad decision for Chelsea- the Crespo offside which wasn't. All the other decisions for Chelsea were correct.

[Earl Hafler]

im not a chelsea fan, i despise them.

 

the carvalho situation was inside the box during a corner, it hardly looked deliberate,nothing to cry about. why should gallas get sent off for pulling down cisse ? it was a penalty, nothing more, nothing less, stop being such a spastic.

 

chelsea had several clear goal chances that were called off due to the linesman mistaking it for an offside, they also had a goal that was disallowed.

 

a fair score would have been 4-1 or 4-2 then.

would that make you happy ?

 

 

No, because if we score the penalty from Carvalho's foul it's a completely different game...everything that happened after is irrelevant

 

And nice use of the word spastic.

Edited February 6, 2006 by Big Stuff

[Guest Syfer]

rubbish, what about the situation in the first half, i think it was either robben or crespo who was alone with reina, that wasnt offside at all

actually, both robben and crespo had situations where they were alone with reina, ref made the wrong decision.

 

refs has usually been piss poor when you have played against chelsea, blatant handballing, nasty tackles, etc etc. you dont have that much to whine about from yesterdays match.

Edited February 6, 2006 by Syfer

[ricflairandy]

rubbish, what about the situation in the first half, i think it was either robben or crespo who was alone with reina, that wasnt offside at all

actually, both robben and crespo had situations where they were alone with reina, ref made the wrong decision.

 

refs has usually been piss poor when you have played against chelsea, blatant handballing, nasty tackles, etc etc. you dont have that much to whine about from yesterdays match.

 

 

Why should carvalioho have not been sent off and a pen to us? Explain.

 

We have a corner, gerrard takes it, carvalho elbows kewell in the face. Ref orders a retake of the corner.

[Guest Syfer]

it was nothing more than a accident.

[ricflairandy]

it was nothing more than a accident.

 

I get it, your taking the piss right?

 

new rule guys,

 

Aparently if you Elbow someone in the face in the box and nearly take their head off, the ref can deem it an accident and award a corner.

 

Or according to the chelsea fan on this thread he can.

[Spanish_fan]

If anyone thinks that it was an accident they don't know Latin football culture at all and surely not Carvalho. Even Terry, the most "English" player in Chelsea squad does a lot of dirty fooling instilled surely by Mourinho. In the last CH L game at Chelsea's he fouled Luis Garcia in the box grabbing his arm and pulling him down. He yesterday repeated the trick on Alonso, this time offside the box. Chelsea are the most cheating side in the Premier League cause their manager knows that 8 times out of 10 the referees are not going to see those incidents and they will get away with it.

 

Being a cheat helps you win games unless football authorities punish heavily the ones commiting those acts.

Edited February 6, 2006 by Spanish_fan

[Guest Syfer]

I get it, your taking the piss right?

 

new rule guys,

 

Aparently if you Elbow someone in the face in the box and nearly take their head off, the ref can deem it an accident and award a corner.

 

Or according to the chelsea fan on this thread he can.

 

oh lord..its always up to the ref to decide if it was intentional or not, if its not and nothing more than a accident, why should it be a penalty ?

[Earl Hafler]

oh lord..its always up to the ref to decide if it was intentional or not, if its not and nothing more than a accident, why should it be a penalty ?

 

 

Because the ref was at fault, like he was with the Gallas incident ( which you agreed with earlier ).

 

Just because the ref doesn't give a foul doesn't necassarily mean it was unintentional.