Curbishley & Benyoun

[R A Softlad]

Curbishley also hit out at Yossi Benayoun after the Israeli left Upton Park for Liverpool earlier this week.

 

The Hammers chief believes Benayoun was happy to stay at the club until he heard of Liverpool's interest.

 

"I was disappointed with Yossi because he had signed a new contract and it turns out he hadn't," added Curbishley.

 

"When Liverpool came in for him it changed everything.

 

"I didn't want Yossi to go and we didn't need the business."

 

So he hadn't signed Alan? You should be upset with your own staff, your optician or the manufacturer of those pens with ink that vanishes not us. And of course Liverpool coming in would change everything - think it through.

[Michael]

To be fair, they do seem to have real problems with who has signed contracts and with whom at Upton Park.

Edited July 16, 2007 by Michael

[fyds]

"I didn't want Yossi to go and we didn't need the business."

 

And Yossi - you were somehow surprised he wanted to go to a team that IS the business?

[urban]

So he hadn't signed Alan? You should be upset with your own staff, your optician or the manufacturer of those pens with ink that vanishes not us. And of course Liverpool coming in would change everything - think it through.

 

TBH, I think Curbishley has a point. Yossi gave his word and then later reneged on it.

 

Would you want Alonso to do the same because Barca came for him?

[Guest dani]

TBH, I think Curbishley has a point. Yossi gave his word and then later reneged on it.

 

Would you want Alonso to do the same because Barca came for him?

 

 

You can't give your word if you haven't signed the contract

 

There's nothing to renege on.

 

Yossi was going to give his word but changed his mind.

Just like how Stevie G was going to sign for Chelsea

 

there's nothing morally wrong with it.

and Alonso is not a slave he can sign a new contract or not its entirely up to him.

[hideNseek]

TBH, I think Curbishley has a point. Yossi gave his word and then later reneged on it.

 

Would you want Alonso to do the same because Barca came for him?

Not sure he's done anything wrong. The offer from WHU was there and we came in and offered him less money and he joined us, that alone should tell you the calibre if the man.

[RedNik]

Something similar, although on a less grand scale, to what MO did right? Its a double standard if people don't see anything wrong with what Yossi did, although I must stress that this was far less drawn out and magnified than the Owen situation.

[Guest Johnie82]

25/05/2007 14:01

West Ham United can today announce that much sought-after midfielder Yossi Benayoun has agreed a new five-year deal to keep him at Upton Park until 2012.

 

"I'm very pleased to have agreed this new deal," said the Israel international. "From the first moment I arrived at West Ham, the Club felt like home to me. We have the best supporters in England.

 

"The natural thing for me was to sign a new deal and I'm very happy because I want to stay at this Club. I'm sure we'll have a better season next season because we have players with a lot of quality.

 

"We will also have new players coming in to make us stronger and better. I'm very pleased because it is the best place for me.

 

"The Chairman is very ambitious and I want to thank him because the negotiations were very quick. He and the manager showed me they wanted me to stay immediately. Hopefully I will pay them back on the pitch and I will do everything in my power to match their ambition."

 

Hammers Chairman Eggert Magnusson said: "We are very ambitious and Yossi is a big part of our plans. I'm very pleased to have agreed terms to keep him at the Club for five more years.

 

"We are looking forward to bringing in exciting new signings but we must also make sure we keep hold of the hugely talented players we already have."

 

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=9165

 

Sounds that he had given his word to them but since nothing was signed by the time we came in,i don't think that we have done something wrong.

Edited July 16, 2007 by Johnie82

[5InIstanbul]

F**k 'em

[urban]

Something similar, although on a less grand scale, to what MO did right? Its a double standard if people don't see anything wrong with what Yossi did, although I must stress that this was far less drawn out and magnified than the Owen situation.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. What Yossi did was not right, even if it was done in 'our' favour.

 

Although legally there is nothing wrong, the fact remains that he has given his word. And i still think Curbishley is entitled to feel pissed over this incident.

[fyds]

Something similar, although on a less grand scale, to what MO did right? Its a double standard if people don't see anything wrong with what Yossi did, although I must stress that this was far less drawn out and magnified than the Owen situation.

I had no idea that Yossi was the idol of the West Ham fans, came up through their academy and was secretly organising a deal behind the clubs back while promising for a year to sign a new contract and thereby denying the cluib his full resale value.

 

Otherwise blindingly similar...

Edited July 16, 2007 by fyds

[fyds]

25/05/2007 14:01

West Ham United can today announce that much sought-after midfielder Yossi Benayoun has agreed a new five-year deal to keep him at Upton Park until 2012.

 

"I'm very pleased to have agreed this new deal," said the Israel international. "From the first moment I arrived at West Ham, the Club felt like home to me. We have the best supporters in England.

 

"The natural thing for me was to sign a new deal and I'm very happy because I want to stay at this Club. I'm sure we'll have a better season next season because we have players with a lot of quality.

 

"We will also have new players coming in to make us stronger and better. I'm very pleased because it is the best place for me.

 

"The Chairman is very ambitious and I want to thank him because the negotiations were very quick. He and the manager showed me they wanted me to stay immediately. Hopefully I will pay them back on the pitch and I will do everything in my power to match their ambition."

 

Hammers Chairman Eggert Magnusson said: "We are very ambitious and Yossi is a big part of our plans. I'm very pleased to have agreed terms to keep him at the Club for five more years.

 

"We are looking forward to bringing in exciting new signings but we must also make sure we keep hold of the hugely talented players we already have."

 

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=9165

 

Sounds that he had given his word to them but since nothing was signed by the time we came in,i don't think that we have done something wrong.

 

At the time, there is no doubt he had no idea one of the big boys would ever be in for him. He's not an East Londoner - 'one of their own' etc.

[Billy Dane]

Of course if it was the other way round Curbishley would be telling Yossi that he couldn't sign him, as Yossi had verbally agreed to sign a new contract with his existing club.

[RP]

Is Curbishley really surprised that an overpaid mercenary spoilt little sh** (i.e. a footballer) went against his word?

[fyds]

Is Curbishley really surprised that an overpaid mercenary spoilt little sh** (i.e. a footballer) went against his word?

Another way of looking at it I suppose

Edited July 16, 2007 by fyds

[Stevie H]

Is Curbishley really surprised that an overpaid mercenary spoilt little sh** (i.e. a footballer) went against his word?

 

think curbishley's done nothing since he left charlton but prove that charlton was about the ideal club and level for him.

[fyds]

think curbishley's done nothing since he left charlton but prove that charlton was about the ideal club and level for him.

Agreed.

[Herbie von Smalls]

25/05/2007 14:01

West Ham United can today announce that much sought-after midfielder Yossi Benayoun has agreed a new five-year deal to keep him at Upton Park until 2012.

 

"I'm very pleased to have agreed this new deal," said the Israel international. "From the first moment I arrived at West Ham, the Club felt like home to me. We have the best supporters in England.

 

"The natural thing for me was to sign a new deal and I'm very happy because I want to stay at this Club. I'm sure we'll have a better season next season because we have players with a lot of quality.

 

"We will also have new players coming in to make us stronger and better. I'm very pleased because it is the best place for me.

 

"The Chairman is very ambitious and I want to thank him because the negotiations were very quick. He and the manager showed me they wanted me to stay immediately. Hopefully I will pay them back on the pitch and I will do everything in my power to match their ambition."

 

Hammers Chairman Eggert Magnusson said: "We are very ambitious and Yossi is a big part of our plans. I'm very pleased to have agreed terms to keep him at the Club for five more years.

 

"We are looking forward to bringing in exciting new signings but we must also make sure we keep hold of the hugely talented players we already have."

 

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=9165

 

Sounds that he had given his word to them but since nothing was signed by the time we came in,i don't think that we have done something wrong.

i'd put money on benayoun's 'quotes' being cobbled together by the west ham press office, rather than coming from the horse's mouth.

[John am Rhein]

Cockney c*nts

[Guest lansdaleuk]

I'm not really sure that 'giving your word' that you'll sign a contract means anything. If it did, then you would just sign the contract there and then. If no contract has been signed it means that there is some negotiating still to be done, which means that either party MUST anticipate the possibility of the other not ultimately signing. Of course, contracts of employment can be oral, so if all the terms between the parties were agreed at the time he 'promised' to work for them, then the contract would be complete at that time.

 

I don't think the legality can be completely divorced from the morality here.

 

And it's not the same as Owen. Owen suggested for a long time that he intended to sign a contract and had in his mind for much of that time that he wanted to run it down in order to make himself cheap enough for Real Madrid. I don't think anyone's suggesting the same absence of good faith in anything Benayoun said when he said it. For him, the situation changed (i.e. we came in for him). For Owen, the situation was exactly as he'd always intended.

[fyds]

i'd put money on benayoun's 'quotes' being cobbled together by the west ham press office, rather than coming from the horse's mouth.

Thinking about it, you may have a point there - wasn't he in Isreal post-season when all this is supposed to have been said?

 

Anyway - we'll have a Jew and at least one Moslem in the team - Liverpool FC - doing more for world fraternity than than the US and UK governments combined.

Edited July 16, 2007 by fyds

[Rich Gobey]

think curbishley's done nothing since he left charlton but prove that charlton was about the ideal club and level for him.

 

Blimey, he's not even been at west ham a full season yet and managed to escape relegation.

 

I'm no great fan of Curbishly but he did very well with Charlton and it remains to be seen what he achieves with west ham.

 

Writing him off now is a somewhat premature.

[Gomez]

I'm not really sure that 'giving your word' that you'll sign a contract means anything. If it did, then you would just sign the contract there and then. If no contract has been signed it means that there is some negotiating still to be done

 

Not really, you sit down with a draft contract, discuss it and you leave at the end with the understanding that if a few details are changed you will sign it. Then it's up to the club / lawyers to draw up the new contract with the discussed changes, ensure all the wording is legal etc

 

This is just what has happened with us according to Gerrard. He said it had all been agreed and he was just awaiting the clubs to draw it up. They did, he signed it. It was in this period of time we made a move for Benayoun (though there have been rumours for ages)

[Guest lansdaleuk]

Not really, you sit down with a draft contract, discuss it and you leave at the end with the understanding that if a few details are changed you will sign it. Then it's up to the club / lawyers to draw up the new contract with the discussed changes, ensure all the wording is legal etc

 

This is just what has happened with us according to Gerrard. He said it had all been agreed and he was just awaiting the clubs to draw it up. They did, he signed it. It was in this period of time we made a move for Benayoun (though there have been rumours for ages)

 

I agree that there is a moral difficulty in resiling from an agreement to sign a contract where all the terms have been agreed i.e. the scenario you've set out.

 

This is distinct from a more general promise of an intention to agree a contract though isn't it? I think I misunderstood Benayoun's promise as being of this kind.

[Gomez]

I agree that there is a moral difficulty in resiling from an agreement to sign a contract where all the terms have been agreed i.e. the scenario you've set out.

 

This is distinct from a more general promise of an intention to agree a contract though isn't it? I think I misunderstood Benayoun's promise as being of this kind.

 

Well, we don't really know for sure at which point Benayoun's contract negotiations got to, we are all guessing. However, I have no sympathy with WHU. Clearly had he have signed he'd have still left, but they'd have been in a stronger position when negotiating with us. I don't see the point in keeping a player that wants to be elsewhere.

 

I guess they will be quicker in drawing up the contract next time, however had they have done so in Benayoun's case, we don't know he wouldn't have found another way to stall. Maybe his agent would have gone on his honeymoon or something.