Billy Dane

Have complained about him again to the BBC. The comments I heard him making on the show were, unsurprisingly, idiotic and a waste of air time.

So there's two deals we appear to have backed down on, get the feeling we're a soft touch in the transfer market?

Savage clattered Gilberton from behind, gilberto went down under the challenge, Savage gave him a bit more and Gilberto kicked out with his leg (not that badly tbh). Savage went down like he'd been shot. Rob Styles sent Gilberto off and booked Savage.

What a cu**. If Gilberto was sent off, Savage should have gone as well, cheating t***

It was Smith's testimonial game played on a very sunny Sunday, 1st one after we had won the European Cup in 77 (I think). Anfield was packed, Keegan was taking the p1ss out of Joey Jones, mimicking his goal celebration when he scored. Joey wasn't there that day and the Kop were chanting "Joey's gonna get ya" at Keegan. The whole of the kop sat down at one stage and got the old gits in the paddock, the main stand and the kemlyn to stand up. Seem to remember Tommy Smith also showed his a***.... Anyway Liverpool were losing 6-5 and Liverpool got a "penalty" in the last minute, which Lol stepped up to take. Stepney saved it to much booing from the kop. The ref said Stepney had moved so ordered it to be retaken (Stepney was not happy). Lol took it again, stepney saved it again, the ref said he had moved again, Tommy got pissed off pushed Lol out of the way and took the third pen himself and scored. Game over. Great day out.

from The Echo: Hillsborough: The buffoon Jan 12 2007 Liverpool Echo DISCREDITED former Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie has changed his mind again, admitting he could have been wrong about the Hillsborough disaster. But despite being unsure of his facts - again - the ex-Fleet Street buffoon last night refused to apologise for the hurt caused by his newspaper's lies. Amid heated scenes on BBC's Question Time show, MacKenzie then blamed others for the disgusting claims in the story. He claimed for the first time that two of the most notorious claims contained in the Sun article, headlined The Truth, about fans stealing from the dead bodies and urinating on them, had come from a Liverpool news agency, a Tory MP and a senior police officer, all un-named. Story continues ADVERTISEMENT In an astonishing admission, even though he admitted he did not know whether these claims were true he refused a challenge by Question Time presenter David Dimbleby and panellists to apologise for the article that appeared after the tragedy, in which 96 people died. Former Labour MP Claire Short told MacKenzie: "You've hurt so many people. Why don't you just apologise?" But MacKenzie, now a columnist on The Sun, remained defiant. While he admitted Liverpool fans were angry with him, he said: "They want to find somebody who caused the disaster. "It's become so caught up in a battle between Liverpool FC and me that no matter what I said now, it wouldn't resolve the issue." He also repeated publicly that he apologised at the time only because he was ordered to by Sun proprietor Rupert Murdoch. MacKenzie's comments came less than a week after more than 40,000 Liverpool fans staged an emotional protest at the start of Liverpool's FA Cup tie against Arsenal, which was screened on BBC1. For six minutes at the start of the game, chants of "Justice for the 96" filled the stadium. The protest was organised by fans who were angered at the BBC's decision to hire MacKenzie despite revelations last month that he stood by the paper's infamous coverage of the Hillsborough disaster. It was revealed that MacKenzie had told a crowd of businessmen: "I was not sorry then and I'm not sorry now." He said The Sun had only reported "the truth" when it accused fans of stealing from and urinating on the dead despite Lord Justice Taylor's report on the disaster discrediting such reports. link Hillsborough: The buffoon Previous 1 2 Claims are denied by agency CHRIS Johnson, editor of Mercury, the only remaining press agency in Liverpool, today angrily denied Mr MacKenzie's claims. He said: "I will be examining what he said and consulting with my lawyers as there may be a case of defamation. "I will state categorically that Mercury Press Agency had no part whatsoever in any word that was printed in that Sun article. "There was more than one press agency operating in Liverpool at that time and we covered Hillsborough at the Liverpool end, not Sheffield. "I don't know why he should choose this time to apportion or spread the blame to other people. Story continues ADVERTISEMENT "He should name this Liverpool press agency and give them the opportunity to confirm or deny that they were involved in the story, and explain their part in it. "We had a reporter at Hillsborough on the day and he was so traumatised by what he'd seen that he wasn't able to file copy for 48 hours." A news agency is an independent organisation which sells stories and information to the media, including newspapers, TV and radio. The Liverpool ECHO is not and never has been a news agency.

Liverpool have also taken over the Everton shop in Chester.

Everton fans are from North Wales, why not just laugh at him and ask him to provide evidence that he is correct . He won't be able to.

They had a guy from Mercury on R5 at approx 8.55 this morning. Said there were 6 News agencies operating in Liverpool in 89, now only them left. Re ticketless fans I seem to remember the police having a cordon around the ground checking for tickets, drunkenness and taking bottles and cans off fans. some texts blaming the scousers for jumping the turnstiles.

memo to self, concentrate when reading tripe in future.

From today's Mirror, wonder who the player is that is supposed to be pointing the finger at Rafa? BENITEZ: GUNNERS KIDS TAUGHT US A LESSON LIVERPOOL 3 ARSENAL 6... AND THE ANFIELD INQUEST BEGINS David Maddock AN HOUR or so hour after his side's humiliation against Arsenal, Rafael Benitez had the look of a man suffering post-traumatic stress. It would be no exaggeration to suggest that the Liverpool manager was shell-shocked by Tuesday's astonishing Carling Cup tie. And no wonder as the weaknesses in his Liverpool squad were exposed to a disbelieving audience. Advertisement Essentially, Benitez knows that his squad is simply not good enough to compete with the likes of Arsenal, never mind Manchester United and Chelsea. As manager he has to carry the can for Tuesday's debacle but yesterday he was in no mood to become a martyr. While others, most notably one of his own players, were ready to point the finger at the affable Spanish coach, Benitez himself, looked higher up the chain of command to pose some searching questions to his own chairman and board of directors. As the fall-out continued yesterday, the former Valencia manager was adamant that lessons must be learnt from the way a near Arsenal youth team destroyed his side. In what was not even a veiled attack on the policies of the club directors, Benitez outlined their failure to invest properly in the future. "When you analyse the game, the conclusion which worries me is Arsenal could pick nine reserves and score six goals at Anfield. We had seven players of the first team and could not compete," he said. "There is a lesson in this for the whole of our club. If you want to compete at the top level, you must be able to spend a lot of money - not only on your first team, but on the young players and reserves. "The first thing we must do is say sorry to our supporters. They are magnificent and deserved better. "We have some money, but we spend that on the first team. When you look at the quality of Reina, Sissoko, Alonso, Bellamy and Crouch, it's clear all are worth more now than when we bought them. "But you need to invest beyond that, and to do that, you have to invest in players for the future, and these days without spending big money that is very difficult." Benitez has pursued good young players such as Theo Walcott, Denilson, and recently Gareth Bale, but each time has been frustrated by his board's refusal to gamble so much money on unproven talent. He is also frustrated by what he sees as a failure to move quickly enough when young players become available, with the board often "too slow to make signings we need". The inability to land Blackburn full-back Lucas Neill is a very recent example of that policy failing, with the clubs haggling over what is thought to be around £500,000. Benitez's main gripe is with chairman David Moores and the board, who he feels failed to build on the miraculous Champions League triumph of two years ago. But he has also been critical of the club's youth structure, which has not produced any outstanding youngsters in recent seasons. Part of that failure is due to the long-standing Anfield tradition of refusing to pay for kids, even though all the main rivals now do it -Arsenal, for instance, invested in players like Johan Djourou, Alex Song and Armand Traore when they were barely teenagers, and United and Chelsea have spent upwards of £10million on a single promising kid. "Arsenal have been working for 10 years to build a strong squad, and we have been working for two years," Benitez explained. "It is very hard to get the players we need because we don't move quickly, and when we do there is not a lot of money." There was criticism too of Benitez's sometimes puzzling team selections. Keeper Jerzy Dudek, who had a nightmare in the two games against Arsenal, said: "The last time I had played at Anfield before Saturday was in March. "I wanted to take my opportunity in these two cup ties and build some confidence after six or seven months without much football, then you face a side like Arsenal. It is very difficult. I'm devastated and disappointed. The last time I let in six goals I was a kid." link

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Like many fans? Tommy Smith was far more skilful than many give him credit for, although I remember a number of times that one of our players had been fouled and was receiving treatment; while this was happening Tommy would go over to the player that had committed the foul and check his number. A few minutes later said player would be in a heap on the floor needing treatment himself.

I think we do tend to move too slowly with transfers and wonder whether Rafa is referring to Neill with his comments. Having said that I do think he has had plenty of money to spend, and yes you could argue we need to outspend others to bridge the gap, but isn't this where coaching also has a role to play?

He's entitled to an opinion like the rest of us, he just gets paid for his. You don't have to agree with him, but I know a lot of Reds who agree that Rafa should shoulder a lot of the blame for us getting knocked out of the CC.

or should we put in a bid for Beckham now he's turned down an extended contract from Madrid? Pennant can play on the left.

Kelvin's free speech vs free speech of 11000 - majority rules.

so does this mean he didn't expect last night's team to beat Arsenal's wunderkinds?

I stand corrected, another simple Simon then.

Is this the same d1ck that was responsible for the piece about Liverpool being a city of self pity that Boris took the rap for? Wonder what the t*** e-mail address is...... nice to know the BBC did react to the petition, which I believe was actually 11,000 strong.

nearly funny mate, well done. Apart from getting caught offside 4 times and doing a bit of moaning at the officials , I can't remember Bellamy doing anything. (Course if his name had been Cisse he would have been crucified by now). Robbie on the other hand did score and looked like he was willing to chase a lost cause. I'm not saying Robbie had one of his best games for us, but the service to both of them could have been better. The team didn't perform last night, not one individual, the team. Whether that was due to the original line up, the tactics, the positions some were expected to play, the quality of the opposition is up for debate.

Dunno, no doubt it will be Robbie's last season with us, and he might not have the pace needed for today's game but I still thought Robbie contributed more to the game last night than Bellamy.......

we won't have to fork out on tickets for more cup games and 2 finals?

They all seemed very confident on the ball, unlike our lot who couldn't get shut of it quick enough. Watched the recording of the sky commentary this morning, when we got it back to 3-5 it was good to hear the chuckles from Tyler and Gray dry up as they entertained the thought we might actually get another 2 goals back. You could hear a sigh of relief from Gray when Arsenal got the sixth.

sarcasm noted, but what part of Liverpool is Paletta from? Average age of our side last night was 25, average age of Arsenal last night was 20. Rafa hardly played a team of youngsters last night.