That was just madeness wasn't it? Fighting there at the boarding gate! Also, those lads sat on their own, the ones allowed to board while swigging from the Metaxa bottle, were truly evil scum. They'd legged it off our coach when the bizzies turned up to arrest them for abusing that poor tour rep on the coach they'd originally been on. Our tour rep was pathetic and it was up to that black lad on our plane to tell these lads to get off. He was a star, that black lad, and the four of them were clearly scared of him. Miond you, he later told me he'd told them he'd out them as beasts (for the incident on the woman) and as they were from Birkenhead, no-one would stick up for them. Then, they get a big up from those gangsters on our flight, the one's who started the big fight, as they'd done someone else in to ingratiate themselves with the hard lads! That was for me, far and away the worst aspect of the trip. I was disgusted my son had to witness all that. You are completely wrong. I know you're trying to make the point that there has to be badness there in the first place for Charlie to make come out and play but I disagree. I've got (had) some great, sound mates who you would have trusted with your life who've turned into complete and utter a******s because of that stuff. Quite right. On our plane, there were divvys trying to start a "get the woolies off the plane" song going.