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Personally, I thought torres looked a better player in the world cup Especially if we get rid of crouch, I think torres height and strength would be usefull I remember reading a bascome article however which stated that benitez rated kuyt higher than torres

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And your point is Are we honestly going to spend thirty pages arguing about what is and what is not a battering or are we going to discuss the fundamental issue, which is the league table, which is the RESULTS against Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton amongst others Its sh'te again isnt it, just as it has been pre-xmas for the last 17 years Even when we won the first 10 or 11 under houllier we then imploded and went on the worst run in 50 years or something Its mad isnt it, the new ownership of the club will hopefully shake the whole thing back into life Corrected

So is the fact we always seem to create more than enough to win but end up losing luck, or a symptamatic weakness in the team ? ie we couldnt score in a brothel with £500. And as I originally said, they beat us 3-0 and therefore battered us, FACT. We have been out of the title race in November now every year for the last three, it doesnt actually seem to be getting any better does it. This thread wasnt about moaning though to be honest, it was meant to be a discussion about whether anyone thinks we will realistically get close to the title in the next couple of years

You are a good red, you can tell that because you are brilliant with excuses Me mates are the same, we always have a brilliant list of excuses as to why we never get near winning the league New owners to shake the club by the balls and move the whole thing up a level ? I hope so, because beleive me, before you know it the 26 years the mancs took to win it will creep up on us

SR I am the eternal optomist lad, as you know But it suddenly dawned on me this morning that we are no nearer winning the league than when Evans, Houllier or even Souness was in charge We are miles behind again, already When is this 17 year nightmare going to end. We seem to have become an ugly Man Utd clone of the 80's the club we used to all laugh at. Its sh'te, thank god for Istanbull

Everton 3-0 Liverpool I say again, BATTERED by Everton Goals win games, not chances

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Two Behind Bolton Point Behind Portsmouth Lost to Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal AGAIN, battared by Everton in the derby. Lets be honest, considering we spent errr, about £25 million last summer how come we doing sh't ? In fact how come we are worse than we where last year Do you think there will ever be a christmas again where we are not sat in the ale house offering excuse after excuse as to why the league was over by November again Never mind - suppose there is next year eh. 17 years without a title next year. We are stumbling through a living f'ckin nightmare here. Will we realistically, and I mean realistically challenge for the title in the near future, what do you think ?

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I love rafa and yes he has won the european and fa cup and for the last 3/4 of last season we where the best team in the country in the league, which is the most important barometer for all of us But this season has been a major dissapointment, we have also been extremely dissapointing against the top teams in league games since he has been in charge. For me, next season is the big one, he will get the money to buy the two or three top, top players we need to compete with Cheslea and Utd and he then needs to prove that a team can win the league in england carrying out the regular changes in players and formations that he likes and which worked in Spain for him at Valencia.

I think we played well and should have won easily, carragher was at fault for their goal when he was not in line with the rest of the defenders but it was just one of those games where you are beaten by one chance, one goal after missing loads of chances yourself Only problem is that we have played badly and lost so many previous away games that every freak result like this now really hurts us in terms of the league We are desperately short of quality wide players however, a lot depends on how kewell comes back but I think we will need to spend big on a right and left winger this summer.

Jesus Christ, that is a shock. I remember him very well

Link It's that time of year again when Jamie Carragher hands out his Liverpool FC awards. If you're a player reading this, you might want to look away now... Player of the Year? There are obviously a few candidates. Stevie got Player of the Year last season for what he did in the Cup final. Momo Sissoko was also outstanding in that Cup final but people forget that because of Stevie getting the two goals. I think it's a tie between them two but I'd probably give it to Momo because Stevie's got enough awards anyway. Young Player of the Year? Daniel Agger would come into that category or even Momo, but I'd probably say Daniel because he's come in very strong this season and done very well. Most Improved Player? I don't know. Whoever I give it to I don't think they'd really like it to be honest! Probably Crouchy, not that he was that bad at the start but he went a long time without scoring and now his record this year has been brilliant. The goals to games ratio has been as good as anyone's - there's been a massive improvement. Unsung Hero? It used to be me that, didn't it? It would probably be Finn. I think I gave it to Finn last year as well. He plays pretty much the same every week and doesn't get much applause. He's just happy to be in the team, doing his job, and he's been consistent again. Honorary Scouser Award? This is the first one of these, isn't it? It would have been Didi if he was still here but obviously he's gone. We'll give it to Pepe. He speaks very good English and tries to throw a few scouse words in every now and then to me and Stevie. He's a bubbly character so I'll give it to Pepe. Have you been teaching him? Yes, but only swear words! Goal of the Year? Probably Stevie's second one in the Cup final. Agger's against West Ham at home was an unbelievable one as well but I think I'll go for Stevie's because it was the Cup final and we were desperate to get that goal. It's probably one of the best goals in a Cup final of all time so it's a great one to win the prize. What about Crouch against Galataseray? Yes, I forgot about Crouchie! I'll have to put Crouch up there and give him a mention but I just think Stevie's is the winner because there were only about 40 seconds left of the game and to have a strike from 30, 40 yards out, I'll have to give it to Stevie. Hardest Liverpool player? In a fight or tackle? There's not many tacklers in the team really, probably only me and Stevie. In a fight? I think I gave it to Pepe last year but I'm going to give it to Momo, he takes some stopping. He's not too bad at the moment with the shoulder injury, I'd probably take him at the moment. Player who's most desperate for their own song? Finn. It used to be me for a while, they only started giving me one a few years ago. Is there anyone in the dressing room who moans because they don't have one? No, nobody really moans but I think Finn deserves one. As I said, though, he's not that kind of player, he just gets on with it. He's not that eye catching, he just does a good solid job every week. I think the crowd should sort something out for Finn but maybe it's difficult with the name and hard to make it rhyme with things. Best trainer? Stevie and Alonso have got the best quality in training, they're good trainers. Hardest worker is probably me because I'm not that good! There's a lot of good trainers really. Didi was the worst but he's gone now so it's quite good. Robbie can be bad some days but he's a great finisher so if he's having a bad session he can just pop a few goals in the back of the net to get him out of trouble. Funniest player in the squad? I'd probably say Robbie. He likes a laugh and a joke, it's great to have him back to create a bit of banter in the dressing room. He's always on the internet looking for funny stuff to stick on the walls, like look-alikes. The reserves have got their pictures on the internet saying what they like and their hobbies, stuff like that. They were probably trying to get girls or something. Anyway, he stuck them up. That was funny. Funniest moment of the year? The other day Pepe kicked a ball and it hit the manager on the back of the head and he went to the floor, so that was quite funny. That was off the field, on the field it's always funny beating Everton isn't it? Obviously they beat us this year which was a big disappointment but we can win the return. Beating them at Anfield with 10 men was quite funny. Nicest member of the squad? There's a lot of nice lads really. Jack Hobbs, I know he's only one of the reserves but he's the nicest in the world. Probably too nice. Bolo's a nice fella, he speaks to everyone really and he speaks a few languages so he mixes well with the different nationalities. He's good to have around. Who is the ideal room mate? Someone who'd run round after you I think, a young lad! No, we try to mix it around a lot so that we have different roommates and get to know each other better. At the moment I'm with Stevie and I can't ask him to do much because he's the captain so he's not the best! Who would be a nightmare roommate? It was Josemi before he went, he just didn't sleep. He'd be up all night watching videos or on his computer. A nightmare would probably be someone who's into their music, I'm not a big music fan. Who would you want on your pub quiz team? Me. Who wouldn't you want on your pub quiz team? Who's thick? [Laughs] I think Pennant's quite thick! Who's the biggest moaner on the team? Me. On the pitch I just get wound up if things aren't going the way I want them to or people aren't doing the things I want them to do. I wish we had a few more moaners actually. Bellamy's a bit of a moaner, he's the worst in training. What does he say? He just complains about anyone who doesn't put the ball on a sixpence for him really! But I like that in a player, he's a winner and he wants to do well. Worst hair cut? It used to be Harry Kewell, I think that could count because he had that at the end of last season. At the moment?Riise just dyed his hair blonde from ginger. Who've I missed? Gonzalez has got a bad one, coming up to a point or something along those lines. Alonso when he lets his grow long looks pretty bad. Last year you had Crouch down as the worst dancer. Have you changed your mind? The worst or the best? You had Pongolle as your best... Oh yes, I remember him dancing at the Christmas party. Crouchie's upped the ante from last year though. No I'll stick with Crouch. He's probably the best and worst to be honest. He's got some great moves and he's got the robot and stuff now as well so that's put him up there as one of the worst again. When did he first do that? He did it at Beckham's party before the World Cup. I think he did it to the cameras on the dancefloor, messing around because the party was getting filmed. I remember he was worried 'cos it was getting shown on TV a few days later and of course once it was captured it just took off. It was hilarious. Best dresser? Well you always think yourself or you wouldn't buy those clothes but Stevie's always quite smart. No, there's not many. Me and Stevie have probably got similar tastes I'd say. Worst dresser? Cisse popped in the other day, what he had on was unbelievable. He had moon boots on. Bellamy's got some dodgy gear like leather coats, that's pretty poor. Vainest player? Oh, there's a few of them. Crouchie lately, he's been putting a bit of gel on his hair. Stevie as well, he probably thinks nobody's noticed but he's been messing with his hair. He's got a bit of a quiff now, he has to put gel on or mousse or whatever it is. Obviously the foreign lads all love themselves don?t they? But it's pretty poor that we've got two English lads up there. The player you'd least like to introduce to your parents? I think if you asked anyone else they would say me to that question. Probably Bellamy, you wouldn't want to take him round to your mum. He swears a lot and he's got a constant frown on his face. Best taste in music? Luis Garcia's had his ipod on in the dressing room the last few weeks and that's not too bad. I don't know what he had on because I'm not really into my music that much. And the worst taste in music? It used to be Cisse. Probably Pennant or Sissoko, someone like that. A player you can't understand? Paletta can't speak much English at the moment. He's getting there but he's finding it tough. He's only young so he's got a lot of time but I find it hard to understand him. He's probably saying the same about me as well. Who'd be in your Liverpool five-a-side team from the players in the squad? Pepe in goal, me as captain, Stevie, Robbie up front to get a goal. We'll have a Scouse team plus Pepe. We'll have Warnock as well. Four scousers and one half Scouser. Toughest opponent of the year? Saha's good. Who else? We had a good defensive record last season. Andy Johnson was tough this season, he's very quick and he causes a lot of problems, so I'd probably say him. He was very good, played very well against us. What's the best chant you've heard all year? I can't think of any but I remember the banner 'Momo is Boss'. That was a proper Scouse one from home. That was a good 'un. Best away fans? Ours, wherever we go! Whenever we go to Europe the fans stay behind. Whether it's PSV or Bordeaux, the fans always stick around when we're doing the warm down. Any European fans create a great atmosphere.

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He is a left back so dont give a flying f'ck about his ability to use his right foot He is light years ahead of any other left back in an attacking sense and if he is woefull in defence how the f'ck has he been an integral part of the a back four that kept 34 clean sheets, dare I say one that again is starting to look rock solid He has not been woefull, hyppia, reina, finnan and carragher have all been as bad, in hyppia, reina and carraghers case worse at the start of the season Wouldnst swap him for any left back, none of them can do what he does atttacking and he is just as good a defender as all of them B'ollocks - Riise is a far better player going forward and as good as defensively