JonShar

FSG: "So what went wrong this year, why didn't you hit the goals you set for yourself?" BR: "I didn't have enough time coaching the players." FSG: "OK, well we'll fix that. We're bringing in someone to handle the non-coaching side of things, but we can't justify having 2 coaches with you also as a head coach." It's a pretty reasonable thought process, as long as they're getting someone in to handle the non-coaching things.

This is a really good point, hadn't looked at it like that. Haha you come up with some nonsensical brilliance sometimes!

That explains most of your posts.

The only odd thing is that you think that's a real possibility.

Get outta here. Everyone's transfer kitty is limited. None, they pocketed the Suarez money last summer instead of allowing it to be used on s*** signings that we've all been complaining about all season.

Are there lots of clubs out there whose transfer kitty ISN'T limited?

Oh I think it's a fair analysis of how you feel about them. Where I'm based isn't the point at all, you're absolutely right, and yet you keep bringing it up. Which is a bit twattish considering the fact that up to now I've handled this discussion with a fair bit more respect towards you than you have towards me. I'll accept whatever I decide whenever I decide it, I don't know why you think you telling me what to think will change my mind.

My judgement isn't clouded about the owners, it's crystal clear. I f***ing live in America, trust me, I hate Americans in general far more than you do. I haven't claimed once they were decent lads, I don't know s*** about them. I've seen what they did with the Red Sox, and there were a lot of parallels in that first couple of years of ownership that suggest they know how to run a business. Do they care about Liverpool Football Club in any other capacity than generating revenue? Of course not. They don't care about me, they don't care about you. That doesn't bother me one bit. If they can't make us successful, they've failed. Just because I disagree with you on whether or not they're c**** with a masterplan of making us mediocre, my physical location has f*** all to do with it.

Get the fack out of here, where I live now has nothing to do with where I was born and grew up.

Fookin ell Earl, 2010?

f*** me, BR isn't Hodgson.

Or maybe, just maybe, it was a little bit of a joke about the mancs.

Don't make me shoot you.

"Let's spend hundreds of millions on this football club and intentionally be mediocre." Give over. Why don't the ones who have cleverly cottoned onto this "FOFSG" nonsense actually do something. Go create your own football club like the mancs did.

I think they know they need on-field success to make the investment grow. I'm sure sponsorships on all levels have some kind of performance incentive/renewal/whatever involved too, so even from that side of things I'm sure they correlate success on the pitch to success on the financial side too. What I don't get is why people are convinced they're not going to change their approach. Whilst I readily admit that they've come into this and acted as though they can try a new approach that's never been done before, it's not worked, and they've been exposed as not being as smart as they think they are. But they're successful businessmen - in pretty much everything each of them has done for the past 30 years - so when they decide on what their approach is going to be they were always going to be fully invested in that approach until it became absolutely 100% clear to them that it wasn't going to work. From a fan's perspective, they've waited too late. From their perspective, if the pounds had been spent differently last summer we'd probably be sitting in the top 4 right now. For all the talk of Suarez carrying us last season, the reality is that - in the 2nd half of the season at least - we had players performing at the top of their game. Half our team would have walked into any team in England. What I think went wrong last summer was down to Rodgers. He made several quotes about needing to strengthen the squad as a group, that our starting XI was pretty much where he wanted it to be, and that's how he prioritised the summer spending. If Suarez had still been here, then that's fair enough - but we lost our best player, and he should have gone out and replaced him with a game-changer, whether it was Sanchez or someone else. He chose to improve the bench, probably because he wanted us fighting on 4 fronts - but I think many of us even back then would have been just fine with us prioritising the league and CL over all 4 competitions, we've nowhere near that depth yet. So no, I don't see their current approach working, because I think the people making the decisions of who to bring in are making the wrong ones in general. But I don't think it's because FSG are micro-managing the situation - I think they've given that group of people fair reign, I think the manager gets way more input than people sometimes act like he does, and I think BR prioritised the wrong needs last summer. Hell, we should have spent money on a coach who could coach defenders - look how Steve Bould has strengthened Arsenal in that regard, 2 of their defenders made the Premier League team of the season. Instead BR halfway fixed our defensive problems halfway through the season and made a couple of snarky comments about "Oh and we did it all without a defensive coach", then we fell to pieces again. And yes, I see them changing their approach - but I don't see them changing the core of the ideas, I see them changing the people making those decisions. BR, Ayre, scouts, whoever. But also, I don't think this is a new problem for us - we've spunked money on a lot of crap for a long, long time, especially since around '90/91. It's frustrating, and the frustration builds every year, and it's at breaking point now. This time last year FSG were running a very successful football club, and it wasn't a fluke as some people keep claiming that it was in the BR thread. Right now, we look like a little bit of a joke of a football club. I think the truth is that we're somewhere between the two - which still isn't good enough, but we're not on the edge of a cliff either, and other than them being Americans I don't really get the f*** off FSG bile. I got it with H&G. I don't get it with FSG.

Haha I most certainly can.

What does this have to do with Brendan Rodgers?

It wasn't reported in Bild. That sentence I typed was in Bild and someone interpreted it wrong, and it became fact.

No I know, the sentence it was in was written a bit weird - something like "Klopp and Kehl - who is taking a 6 month break - will bid farewell" - and people understandably took it as Klopp taking a 6 month break and it spread like wildfire. And you're right, who really knows what the hell is going on.

This is a great example of how misinterpreted statements become fact. Klopp isn't taking 6 months off, Kehl is. But it was misinterpreted so now s*** tons of people are wandering around saying Klopp is taking 6 months off like it's fact. "There were tears from the 35-year-old Kehl as he captained the side in his 314th and final Bundesliga appearance, with the defensive midfielder set to retire and take a six-month break from football before deciding on his next move." http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2462856/dortmund-fans-thank-jurgen-klopp-kehl-final-bundesliga-games

If by Lord Haw-Haw you mean not dramatic, then I admit it. Then you go on to say that oh wait, by the lie I mean their model in baseball won't work for us - which is exactly what I said in my previous post. So again, stop arguing the toss with someone you agree with but they're not shouting as loudly as you are, and go do something. If you think their goal is to protect their investment rather than see it's value grow dramatically, then you don't know a thing about JWH. If they didn't think our value was increasing exponentially they'd just cut loose now.

No, they're not lifelong fans of the Red Sox. So the idea of a group of businessmen trying to follow a previously successful formula is a lie? Right on. You turn up the heat on these boys, let me know how it goes. P.S. Bitching and whining on the internet doesn't count as turning up the heat, go do something. I think you're absolutely right that they've found out this is much more difficult than they thought it would be. But they also know that selling a club that's in the Champions League is going to net them a LOT more money than selling a club that finishes 5th-10th. They know that if it means an outlay of a hundred million quid in transfers, that if the team is setup properly and we perform, that hundred million quid will be dwarfed by our selling price if we're in the CL. There's no bonus to them turning us into a mid-table outfit with lower wages. None. They'll have an expanded stadium they can't fill, and they'll sell us for barely double what they bought us for. I agree they don't care about football, they probably don't care about us as a Club, they almost certainly don't care too much about Liverpudlians. But they care about investments and growth and returns. Success on the pitch goes hand in hand with that. I don't think for a second that they're not trying to get that right.

Or they're doing the review next week to give them chance to chat with Klopp, Ancelotti, whoever first - if they can't get them, they keep BR, if they can, they don't. The alternative is they sack him and can't get any of the managers we would want to get, in which case the incumbent is the best choice. They're certainly not as clever as they think they are.