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Parry has also said previous finals travel agents did get tickets - yet one of the lads I go with (plonky on here, so I'm sure he will confirm), has a letter from a couple of years back from Parry saying LFC don't do it. It says what suits his agenda on the day. You are right the tickets could have come from corportates, they could have come from players. But I'm sure these agencies do have fan cards in order to obtain tickets throughout the season - many of the local touts operate 100+ fancards themselves. I'm sure the ballot could have been rigged in their favour - which seems very likely considering prior to the 2nd ballot about 1 in 10 people seemed to get tickets (compared to Parry's 1 in 3.5 statement). I'm not even saying Parry did this - but imo, anyone who thinks that 1st ballot was fair and random is believing what they want to believe.

1. I don't know, LFC, the 3rd party agency? Why - for the benefit of all the travel agencies with fancards so they can clean up. They've been seeling tickets in blocks of 10 in the Liverpool end. I emailed one last week - he had over a hundred tickets available in blocks of 10, sold at £6k for the 10. He sent me a scan of one of the tickets - they we're LFC issued tickets (Finalist A, but he blocked out the seat and row so I couldn't send them on to LFC). There's lots of profit to be made - I would imagine someone at the external agency could have done quite well for themselve. 2. I'd need to go back and read his statement - but I'm almost certain he was talking about who qualified. For instance with the ballot nobody applied - they did the ballot regadless of if you wanted a tickets or not. When Parry was interviewed by the echo and was asked explicitly how many, he said more than 30k. He's now had to backtrack because there's been information on RAWK proving this was not the case. All along he's tried to swell the number of fans who have tickets so things don't sound as bad. He's been caught out and made to look a fool - and I think it's pretty clear that the new owners have taken a look and told him to set the record straight in an honest and open fashion.

why would you want to burn it?

that seems to be everyones experience too wayne. parry picks up on it a little in his statement when he mentions anecdotal evidence or whatever - but the thing is, he does need to account for it imo, because it seems far more than coincidence. He might say because it was a computerised ballot it couldn't have been rigged - but anyone with any programming knowledge, will know any given piece of code will only give what it's been asked to do, so it can be rigged at that point. also, this statement also proves he's been lying and knew he had something to lie for - since the announcement he has said there was over 30000 people on 6 credits and 4000 people on 7 or more. Yet now he's had to play a numbers game (imo, probably thanks to the lad on rawk he did the php program and had these figures a while back), he's had to retract that and say the figure were 27000 and 3300. Something has gone on here, somebody has f*cked up and only a full and clear audit of that ballot will show what has happened. Because the numbers do not add up - 1 in 3.5 people with 6 credits did not get tickets.

i'm on vodafone. it's really good. they have something called "vodafone passport". It costs you nothing to be in it - then when you're abroad you pay 75p per connection ... but then it's as if you're in the UK, so you can use your minutes, use the stop the clock and all the other bits you have as part of your regular package. It's not much help if you make really short calls - but is perfect for longer calls. All the info on how to get it is here ... http://www.abroad.vodafone.co.uk/index.cfm?do=cost.passport EDIT. You need to lock yourself in to their local partner network when you're there - which in this case is vodafone greece.

I went on Saturday to pick up mine. When I got there I was told I need a utility bill - even though I don't have a utility bill in my name. I took the ID I normally take to pick up tix, amongst which was my fancard, credit card I paid for the tickets with, plus mail from LFC with my address on. I was told I couldn't have the tickets and wouldn't be given them until I presented them with a utility bill ... which I don't feckin have!! Apparently the only way to solve this was to return with a utility bill in my birds name, even though she has nothing to do with any of the tickets I was picking up.

I think it's 3rd party influence, not 3rd party ownership - which obviosuly happens all the time with loan deals. I think in the initial deals signed by WHU and KJ, KJ was able to stipulate if he didn't want the players to play - I don't think he could force WHU to play the player, but if he wanted them to rest, he had the power to do so. That is the 3rd party breach of rules WHU were done for.

They can't. It was a condition of sale when the owners bought the club - lifetime, none transferable guaranteed cup tickets.

I know it's not gonna happen - because Parry thinks it's his club. people should know what chance we have of getting tickets and where the ones we have go. In 3 years time, we'll be in a stadium with 15,000 corporate tickets. As fans if we don't start a process of dialog with the club now, there will be no tickets for any fans come cup finals.

But a lottery where people are getting 1 in 10 is fair? How long would we have to operate that in order for people to get a ticket under that scheme. We also wouldn't require a ballot if it's 5% or 15 or whatever - we could do what we always did, release a number but say there's limited available and it's 1st come 1st served.

you make it sound like we'd pick bent up for a few packets of crisps and mars bar. he would be our record signing and due to competition for his signature and the new tv money, we wouldn't get much change from 20m - he'd certainly be in excess of the fee we paid for cisse.

of course it would be better because it's transparent.

The nature of the serial number system made the distribution of the tickets transparent. If 3 numbers got tickets, it meant 30% of ST holders got them. You knew where the tickets had gone and roughly how many had gone to ST holders. With a secret ballot with no information being given nobody knows where the tickets have gone and how many there have been. So when people have 10 or 20 fancards on 6 credits and if they're lucky getting 1 out, I think they have every right to question what is going on. Let's say 20% of people on 6 credits got tickets. The club could easily have said all ST holders who's fancard number ends in 0&1 get a ticket. It would have been fairly transparent and people would have known exactly where they stood. In the way this has been done, people everywhere hearing about high numbers of people not getting tickets and very few succeeding in the ballot, questions get asked and suspicion arises. To then say "we're not playing a numbers game" after playing a numbers game with UEFA for several days, smacks of having something to hide. Sorry guv, I'm taking the 5th amendment. And that is why people get pssed off.

It could be although it's not been revealed you had more of a chance had your 6 consisted of european aways or something. I don't know what it is, it's just the distrubution seems odd. Anyone who doesn't see it seems odd, is someone who clearly believes every bit of s*** they're fed by the club.

regardless of what people thought, the allocation has always been there and always the same, so it shouldn't impact the numbers compared to other years - except of course it's a fixed number and when the total allocation is reduced, it then reduces the percentage of that allocation available to STH's and FCH's. however, my main gripe/worry are 2 fold. 1. as plonky says, as these figures look almost reasonable, why was Parry so keen to avoid publishing them? 2. Why does the distribution of winners in the lottery appear not to be random - people with 10,20,30 FC's with 6 credits getting sometime less than 1 in 10 hits and plenty of groups of 3 and 4 all getting tickets? If the process wasn't random, Parry needs to explain why he manipulated the lottery.

Apparently Niemi has not been the same keeper since he came back from that neck injury early this year - it seems to have made him hesitant (so all the fulham lads were saying on saturday).

through at last .... they wouldn't let me get my mate who qualified in the ballot though.

f***ing hell, he got through the the fancard line and they said they won't do the share ones on there and they'll only possibly do both on the share line. f***ing incompetent **** s .

or even multi-season competition by competition. iirc the reason competition by compeition was introduced was to reward people who went to league cup games in the early rounds - if it went cross compeition it would water that down a little. i don't mind it being compeition by competition, they just need to lengthen the period of loyalty imo.

has anyone managed to get through to the ticket office today on either the fancard line or the shareholders line? my mate has tried all morning and I have on and off for large periods throughout the day. engaged all the time. do they just leave the phone off the hook?

and there's plenty of people who've gone, not been able to get tickets because of the loyalty and picked up spares off people playing the system.

all this uefa allocation stuff deflects from whatever corrupt f***up is going on with this ballot. this is purely smoke and mirrors to get fans to blame someone else. yes the alolocation is pitiful, but it doesn't account for the lack of succesful applicants from the ballot and the clubs refusal to say exactly how many tickets went into that ballot. supposedly the players are on 24 tickets each - that's f*cking 500 for the 1st team squad alone.

That's just a standard reply. I have never waited that long for a reply - usually get one within a few working hours, although I'd imagine that will be more difficult for them with best part of 25,000 phone calls to answer today.

The rules have not been changed. These are even pre-2005 rules. Had the FA had any balls and entered us as the 4th Englsish team then, we'd have gone directly into the group stages - as Madrid did on the early 2000's when they finished 5th and won the CL.

No the 5.5m was a fine because they didn't own him. They now have a loan deal in place (since the fine). I don't know how long that is for, but I do know for certain WHU were always duty bound to let him go should a club match a pre-determined price by his owners.