Kopfaithful

why would you buy a season ticket if you live in canada? how many games a season would you expect to get to?

We should have saved ourselves the millions his contract cost us then and had him on a week to week. I don't remember contract being worth nothing when it cost us £10m to pay off Houllier and his staff. These things cannot and should not be a one way street - more so with managers than anyone on the footballing side of the club. We don't just have to pay the managers wages, the club also has to be saddled with his players. We put massive long term investment into the squad, because we have a manager who has given us a long term commitment.

The simple answer would have been not to sign a new deal last year then. It was clear the Madrid job would come up before his contract ended. I have no issue with Madrid being his dream job - just LFC have put investment into him and the squad he wants based on the agreement made last year - if he harboured any thoughts about not wanting to stay here long term, he could have just stayed on his previous contract. I think he'd be a c*** if he walked away now.

In the charity shield? You can't count that game, it is a worthless friendly.

Because they were then the owners by then!!! Have you seen the dates on the emails when they started speaking? Don't be fooled by Rafa, he is very adept at using the media for his own means and that is exactly what he did here. He did the same last year and got himself a new contract out of it. Do you think the new owners have come in and decided to go "I know what we'll do, we'll deliberately blank Rafa to piss him off so he can f*** off back home to Madrid"? Of course not - I have not read anything from any of the sporting men who have dealt with either of the new owners before who've had anything negative said about the way they've been dealt with. Rafa is using the media and this instability at the club for his own ends - what those ends are I've no idea - he might want another new contract, he might want stacks of money for players, he might want control of the academy, he might want to go to Madrid. But he is manipulating the media - why else but be so unprofesional and air the company buisiness in the press? I'm also sick of all this "re-assuring" type thing. Nobody is bigger than LFC. Rafa is less than 12 months into a new 5 year contract - what more reassurance does he need and want other than that? Too many reds are more interested in personalities than they are about LFC. LFC has got over bigger losses than losing anyone individual currently on the payroll .

Because they weren't new owners after Barca. They weren't the new owners until a few days after that. In fact technically they're probably not the owners now. I've not had the cheque through for my shares.

I'm not so sure year on year they would. As soon as it becomes easy to get a ticket - which it will if it's 80k, loads of people will no longer be a*sed about STs. Look back at the 70's and early to mid 80's when you could walk up on the day of the game. We only had a few thousand ST's in those days, just about everyone chose to pay on a week by week basis. We're talking about almost doubling our current capacity here, when we don't even sell out for all 19 league matches per season.

Totally agree with that. He signed a new contract last summer I don't see why there should even be a discussion about him going and we really can't be putting up with this again. The trouble is though Madrid wouldn't have even tried imo had they thought Rafa was happy and it was Rafa's comments about the new owners that have created all this. You mention a 10 minute chat - well he had one of those, he said it himself - he spoke to them when they made the offer. They then sat back until they got past the 75% mark, which I think is the right and proper thing to do. Far better than all that media whoring DIC did at every game etc, when they hadn't as much as put a bid in. It is weird about them emailing each other - but perhaps that's a language barrier thing. Rafa still does not speak the best english and has a broad spanish accent - you only need to be put through to an Indian call centre to know how difficult it can be at times. Perhaps email is a clearer way of communitcating and leaves less room for mis-interpretation? I know I've had plenty of dealings in my job with people who's 1st language is not english and I nearly always choose to communicate with them via email.

the trouble you have now though - because it's in the number 10 web site, if people don't sign, it will be assumed it's because nobody gives a f*ck and not because people don't like the fella who started it or would sooner it had been done in consultation with the HJC or HFSG. This is the trouble with epetitions - they take no effort for the person organising or the people signing. At least the real paper petitions required a lot of effort from the organiser and they had to get to the people. Everyone can now just click a button and it's there. Personally I'm getting worn out with them, for one reason or another I seem to be getting 2 or 3 e-petition requests a week sent to me.

but there aren't 50,000 on the waiting list. To begin with there are multiple lists, with people putting their names on all of them. Then there's the fellas who've put there names on multiple times. There's also ones who've done nothing more than said they'd like to go on the list as it's a question on the new fancard application - they probably have no real intention of buying a ST, but it was no effort to say yes put me on the list. And finally, there are about 27k ST holders and 3k away fans at anfield everweek. There are 14,000 others - I would imagine at least 10k of these are already on the list, so they don't represent additonal people at the game, just they would like the option of buying 19 tickets in 1 go rather than buying on a per game basis.

I don't think he does dominate all opposition - he did alright v barca (but his passing was piss poor both games i thought), but look at his performance in the league against all the top teams this season - we failed to dominate any midfield in any of those games away from home and while we did v man u at home, that's because they allowed us to have the ball and knew we wouldn't break them down.

I always find this argument strange. People think he should be left out against the poor teams because he can't pass, yet he's good enough to play against the best teams who will punish you when you give them the ball. either he's good enough or he not imo. He's a squad player and no more to me, we need players who can use the ball a whole lot better than momo. The improvement in the mancs this season because they've got carrick (as ordinary as he is) instead of playing the likes of o'shea in the middle is noticeable. Being able to pass the ball well should be a pre-requisite of any midfield player.

i think they've splashed the cash. i think pretty much right away gillett raised the salary budget to the max allowed for his hockey team and hicks has spent a fair bit too - the likes of ARod etc.

they have cleared the debts and have some spare cash to help pay for the start of the building work on the stadium - so we can progress before we sort the finance out.

so the onus will be on the club to provide those transport links - perhaps paying for an upgrade to the line so the frieght line can be used for passengers.

I totally agree with that. All this rubbish about people on waiting lists etc is just that. Yes there is a greater demand for tickets than we have current capacity for and I think the 61,000 will address that for adults. I know there's supposed to be 50k+ on the ST waiting list, but many people are on multiple times and many are regular match goers now - it does not mean we have 50,000 brand new customers. I think a stadium of around 70k would give us a nice headroom for growth and with sensible pricing or perhaps as you've suggested a kids insentive, we'd fill the 70k most weekends, at least in the short term while we were growing the match going fan base. Anything more than that would be a financial risk imo - it's not like we have the choice of £200m for 60,0000 seats or 80,000 seats take you're pick. Those extra 20,000 seats will probably cost around another £100m or so - in additon to more lost revenues for any delays that will bring and possible increase in stadium costs as we've already seen with the current design being delayed.

not as great as them winning the league, which is also a possibilty. if they win the league, i think capello will be safe, so they will leave rafa alone. for me it was a shame they threw it away on saturday.

Fair enough. I hadn't realised we'd submitted anything new at the lease point.

I thought there certainly was on the 2nd planning permission - we were restricted to the current stadium capacity. EDIT: take a look at this .... Echo Report

and is it not possible that the club could stick to the current foot print (as someone suggest earlier we dig a little deeper), make a start on the work, let the work start on the rest of the park and alongside that make an application for increased capacity with however we plan to increase transfer links to get that extra 9k in and out the area? i'd have thought if we put the money in for the rail-link that had been suggersted in the past, the council would jump at it. remember the current design at the moment only has planning persmission for 45k fans until we can prove how we can ship in the additonal 16k.

i can no longer be a*sed getting p1ssed off with c**** like this. i've never heard of the bloke in my life. who is he? some nob who works for the mail? ffs why do you care what anyone from that organisation would say? this is a sure fire way to give him a load of publicity, to get him on more and more shows like mayo's and improve the pr1cks career. best ignore the c*** and leave him in the obscurity he was before opening his gob.

they will still need to have AGMs if the company is not private, so there is still need for a certain amount of transparancy. David Moores could do pretty much as he liked with 51%, but he still had to observe the laws and regulations of an unlisted plc.

I don't believe they can take use private until they get 90% of the shares.

I don't know about that. I know he enjoyed Gerrards goal v Olympiacos a couple of year back, but that's about it. His stunned silence after both or goals in barca summed up everything about the c***. He was as guuted as the most bitter from the park end.

LFC called my Ma's on Monday night chasing up about my response. I thought at that time they were maybe bricking it that they wouldn't get 75% (to call over 2 shares seems over kill if they weren't worried). I think this extention will be to give thme more chance of reaching the 90%.