If they are there to go at serious and difficult issuses like under representation at any level of different ethnicities* and exploring why then they might have a role. I think that is where real progress and gains can be made. Likewise if they are looking to highlight black contribution which may otherwise have been missed and would lead to shattering negative pre-conceptions. If it's tub-thumping cos they don't like Terry and Suarez bans then it's a no for me. I don't see what is to be gained by just being a more radical and militant body which could well prove divisive. I return to the point that I don't see what KIO were meant to do about ban lengths and Serbia. They campaign and campaign and seem to make genuine progress. It just seems churlish taking it out on the group trying to make a difference. It's like your dad doing something which narks you and then taking it out on your mum because she is lending the sympathetic ear and you're a bit scared of your dad.