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Pakistan 'Koran plot' imam remanded in blasphemy case There was a heavy police presence as Khalid Chishti was lead into court Continue reading the main story

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A Pakistani imam has been remanded in custody, accused of planting pages of the Koran among burnt pages in the bag of a Christian girl held for blasphemy.

 

The girl was detained two weeks ago near the capital Islamabad after an angry mob demanded she be punished.

 

Prosecutors say Imam Khalid Chishti will himself face charges of blasphemy.

 

The girl, named as Rimsha, is said to be about 14 and to have learning difficulties.

 

Imam Khalid Chishti allegedly told a witness, after tampering with the girl's bag, that this was a "way of getting rid of Christians", a prosecutor said.

 

The case has sparked international condemnation.

 

Earlier this week, a court extended Rimsha's detention at a maximum-security prison by a further two weeks.

 

Her father has said he fears for his daughter's life and for the safety of his family. He has called on Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to pardon her.

 

Rimsha's parents have been taken into protective custody following threats, and many other Christian families have fled the neighbourhood.

 

Pakistan's strict blasphemy laws are often used to settle personal vendettas, correspondents say.

 

Last year two leading politicians were assassinated after speaking out against the legislation.

 

'Proven conspiracy'

 

Imam Chishti appeared in the Islamabad court with a white blindfold and shackled hands.

 

There was a large police presence as he was ushered into the building.

 

"The imam was arrested after his deputy Maulvi Zubair and two others told a magistrate he added pages from the Koran to the burnt pages brought to him by a witness," an investigator Munir Hussain Jaffri said.

 

He said Mr Zubair and some others had told the imam not to interfere, urging him to "give the evidence to the police as he got it".

 

According to Mr Jaffri, Imam Chishti had told them: "You know this is the only way to expel the Christians from this area."

 

The investigator said the cleric had been arrested at his home on Saturday under Pakistan's blasphemy law.

 

"By putting these pages in the ashes he also committed desecration of the Holy Koran and he is being charged with blasphemy," he said.

 

The girl's lawyer told AFP news agency that Rimsha "should be acquitted immediately", as it had been "fully proven that it was a conspiracy".

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The imam seems to be in a lot of trouble now that it looks certain that he colluded with a construction company and the actual reason for it was to force the christian community to vacate what is a prime real estate. The problem is Zias blasphemy laws which have in almost 100% cases been used as a tool for personal gain or revenge. One good thing to come out of this is that there has actually been a case where it seems that these laws have been abused because in the past they had become the sacred cow.

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Yes it is.

 

What happens when I delete the Koran off my hard drive.

f*** all.

 

But id guess youd be willing to put the "its just paper" to the test by going onto the platform at the field during the twelth of july doing a big s*** then ripping pages out of the king james bible and wiping your hole on it....or into a mosque and doing the same with the koran and then argue its just paper when youre getting the absolute f*** kicked outta ye.

 

 

 

Yes to me and you its just paper...to religious nutjobs its more than that, but you know that and are just being contrary as usual.

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Really New York Red? Really? You know fine rightly its not just paper being burnt.

 

 

 

Still...f***ing savages and all that.

 

I know mate, but it SHOULD just be pieces of paper. The fact that it should be interpreted as being an act of desecration is so bizarre. Religions can just make this stuff up as they go along.

 

I'm impressed at the legal system working in this case. They really seem to be doing an excellent job.

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I know mate, but it SHOULD just be pieces of paper. The fact that it should be interpreted as being an act of desecration is so bizarre. Religions can just make this stuff up as they go along.

 

I'm impressed at the legal system working in this case. They really seem to be doing an excellent job.

 

What do you think should be interpreted as an act of desecration? If nothing then fine but you can't accuse religions of making stuff up as that's essentailly what they do. You either accept that there can be no act that is considered desecration as the premise itself is flawed or you have to leave it to religions what those parameters are.

 

As it stands the issue is less the religions rules as someone cynically exploiting them.

 

Rather than go and burn a koran or bible try burning a US flag in most of the US that's going to create as hostile a reaction. It's hardly like religion has a monopoly on inappropriate sanctions

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I know mate, but it SHOULD just be pieces of paper. The fact that it should be interpreted as being an act of desecration is so bizarre. Religions can just make this stuff up as they go along.

not just religions mate...tell you what next time youre at anfield, take a piss on the hillsborough memorial then tell everyone to calm down as its just a bit of stone...see how far that argument gets you.

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What do you think should be interpreted as an act of desecration? If nothing then fine but you can't accuse religions of making stuff up as that's essentailly what they do. You either accept that there can be no act that is considered desecration as the premise itself is flawed or you have to leave it to religions what those parameters are.

 

As it stands the issue is less the religions rules as someone cynically exploiting them.

 

Rather than go and burn a koran or bible try burning a US flag in most of the US that's going to create as hostile a reaction. It's hardly like religion has a monopoly on inappropriate sanctions

 

That's a fair point.

 

I see this as something that is so trivial though. Not much different at all from burning a US flag. I couldn't care less. Now, dumping on an altar, or butchering a pig in a mosque does seem to be dead wrong, but that's my view of it. You're right on that count; who the f*ck am I to say? But I can't help feeling it is just a terrible overreaction.

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I know mate, but it SHOULD just be pieces of paper. The fact that it should be interpreted as being an act of desecration is so bizarre.

 

Try burning a Stars and Stripes in the middle of your road, and let me know how you get on.

 

 

Rather than go and burn a koran or bible try burning a US flag in most of the US that's going to create as hostile a reaction. It's hardly like religion has a monopoly on inappropriate sanctions

 

Shut up Vic. ;)

 

not just religions mate...tell you what next time youre at anfield, take a piss on the hillsborough memorial then tell everyone to calm down as its just a bit of stone...see how far that argument gets you.

 

I think you enjoyed typing that probably a wee bit too much, tbh.

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f*** all.

 

But id guess youd be willing to put the "its just paper" to the test by going onto the platform at the field during the twelth of july doing a big s*** then ripping pages out of the king james bible and wiping your hole on it....or into a mosque and doing the same with the koran and then argue its just paper when youre getting the absolute f*** kicked outta ye.

 

 

 

Yes to me and you its just paper...to religious nutjobs its more than that, but you know that and are just being contrary as usual.

There is a significant difference between an act produced purely to offend and accidently putting some Koran's in the incinerator, Even if you feel that people are justified in being angry at those trying to offend we can't simply allow people to give a literal sacred power to a physical piece of paper.

 

If they're kicking the s*** out of Spion Kop it's hard to disagree

Love you too babes x

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