How important are tactics?

[budgie]

I know it sounds like a really stupid question but how accountable do you feel a manager is for a team's performance based on the tactics they have given the team?

 

Do you think that a team sent out with players playing in natural positions (like the team that started last night) should step up to the plate themselves and either make the tactics work or improvise?

 

Should the team have enough characters to dig themselves out or are you in the camp that feels everything is down to how the manager sets up the team?

 

 

 

My own personal thought is that there needs to be some professional pride that drives our players to set up on the pitch and i'm sorry to say that hasn't been over abundant in the last 10+ games on a regular basis. Don't get me wrong - the manager's tactics are hugely important but I don't see them as the only factor.

 

Would be interesting to hear people's thoughts

[Stevie H]

very. they help dyslexic people have minty fresh breath.

[Rory Fitzgerald]

very. they help dyslexic people have minty fresh breath.

 

You should get an official warning for posting that.

[Stevie H]

You should get an official warning for posting that.

after last night and today rory, that would be a breath of fresh air. as it were.

[Guest Kaizer]

Match tactics are the icing on the cake, but if you dont do the right work in training they will not help you much.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

Match tactics are the icing on the cake, but if you dont do the right work in training they will not help you much.

whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

 

So if you play a 2-8 formation, that's ok?

[Billy Dane]

Passion

Skill

Leadership

Determination

Tactics

 

possibly in that order.

[Rimbeux]

If you send players out to do things they are not capable of, not comfortable with or dont believe or buy into, you will have a problem. If you send a team out to play a way that the opposition can exploit, you will have a problem.

 

You can also get it completely right. It's a basic to get it mostly right and not give yourself issues, and the rest, most of it (not time, but importance), is in the head, getting the players in the right frame of mind to perform and execute.

 

It always comes down to the manager, to recruit, train, instruct, motivate and lead a group that can play the way he requires and get results.

[The_Adder]

Not as important as having top players played in their natural positions...

[budgie]

Passion

Skill

Leadership

Determination

Tactics

 

possibly in that order.

 

 

Good summary of what I think also. I wish I was so concise

 

I know there's a lot of problems with our tactics at the moment but I can't help but feel a lot of the players need to have a serious look at themselves.

[Guest Kaizer]

whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

 

So if you play a 2-8 formation, that's ok?

 

You know what I mean.

 

The work you do in training is the most important, this is where the players are getting used to a certain style/pattern of play.

This is where you have isolated sessions where you cover certain aspects of this style/pattern in a way that the players always will have a basic set up to fall back to if things dont work out in a match.

This is where you play with a high tempo so you can transfer that to the match situation this is where you learn where and when to set the pressure.

This is where you learn the style of your teammates, where they run, when they run etc

 

I could go on and on, but if you have covered all these aspects in training and done it the right way you should as a team and as individual players be able to transfer this into the match situation.

 

Then individual match tactics will only be the icing on the cake, thats what I mean.

[Rory Fitzgerald]

Passion

Skill

Leadership

Determination

Tactics

 

possibly in that order.

 

Straight from the book "Entertaining, yet ultimately unsuccessful, way to play football" penned by the hugely successful co-authors in this specific field, Ossie Ardiles & Kevin Keegan.

[Rich Gobey]

Match tactics are the icing on the cake, but if you dont do the right work in training they will not help you much.

 

 

You know what I mean.

 

The work you do in training is the most important, this is where the players are getting used to a certain style/pattern of play.

This is where you have isolated sessions where you cover certain aspects of this style/pattern in a way that the players always will have a basic set up to fall back to if things dont work out in a match.

This is where you play with a high tempo so you can transfer that to the match situation this is where you learn where and when to set the pressure.

This is where you learn the style of your teammates, where they run, when they run etc

 

I could go on and on, but if you have covered all these aspects in training and done it the right way you should as a team and as individual players be able to transfer this into the match situation.

 

Then individual match tactics will only be the icing on the cake, thats what I mean.

 

A perfectly reasonable summation I reckon.

[Billy Dane]

Straight from the book "Entertaining, yet ultimately unsuccessful, way to play football" penned by the hugely successful co-authors in this specific field, Ossie Ardiles & Kevin Keegan.

 

 

So you'd rate the tactics of an Allardyce above the skill level of a player then?

 

Every team that comes to play at Anfield has a tactical plan (usually one which involves packing the defence), we know that and plan accordingly but this season we haven't broken many teams down. Lack of tactical nous from Rafa, a lack of skill on the players part, or lack of passion on the pitch?

[meepins]

I'd just tell them to go out and express themselves