Sven manager of the month for August

[Falconhoof]

I could have sworn they lost in August. Rafa went unbeaten got us top of the league and played an extra game due to qualifiers.

 

Not that i'm disappointed that Rafa didn't get a bauble that probably means nothing to him.

 

[curses....wrong forum]

Edited September 14, 2007 by Graham

[fyds]

All in all, it's funnier Sven getting it though.

[Kahnee]

It was more for the shock value

[Guest Kaizer]

Just so we know whats behind the decision.

 

Svennis:

West Ham- Man City 0-2

Man City- Derby 1-0

Man City- Man Utd 1-0

Arsenal- Man City 1-0

 

9 points and a win against the Champions.

 

Rafa:

Aston Villa- Liverpool 1-2

Liverpool-Chelsea 1-1

Sunderland-Liverpool 0-2

 

7 points.

 

I think it was fair that Svennis got it, especially since we only played 3 matches as well.

Edited September 15, 2007 by Kaizer

[Kahnee]

Well, if you can prove it statistically, it must be OK

[Guest Kaizer]

Well, if you can prove it statistically, it must be OK

 

If we had played 4 matches it might have been the other way around.

[Kahnee]

If we had played 4 matches it might have been the other way around.

 

Or not

 

Sven's come in from the cold and proved the doubters wrong with some strong performances against strong opposition. Rafa's done what most people would have expected him to do, given the opening fixtures

It's got feck all to do with the numbers of games played

Now go and play with your abacus

[Guest Kaizer]

Or not

 

Sven's come in from the cold and proved the doubters wrong with some strong performances against strong opposition. Rafa's done what most people would have expected him to do, given the opening fixtures

It's got feck all to do with the numbers of games played

Now go and play with your abacus

 

Of course it has got something to do with games played, but by the way who has Sven proved wrong, those who knew f*** all in the first place and thought he was a poor manager, when he in fact was probably the best England manager in my lifetime maybe.

 

If people have been surprised of City`s performances so far it says a lot about their knowledge of the game and Svennis mangerial history.

[Kahnee]

Of course it has got something to do with games played, but by the way who has Sven proved wrong, those who knew f*** all in the first place and thought he was a poor manager, when he in fact was probably the best England manager in my lifetime maybe.

 

If people have been surprised of City`s performances so far it says a lot about their knowledge of the game and Svennis mangerial history.

 

How old are you? Ten?

 

Yes, he has a good record at club level, but to bring in virtually a whole new squad and get them playing like they've been together for ages from day 1 is still quite an achievement. Hence the award.

[Guest Kaizer]

How old are you? Ten?

 

Yes, he has a good record at club level, but to bring in virtually a whole new squad and get them playing like they've been together for ages from day 1 is still quite an achievement. Hence the award.

 

When it comes to my age, the first big International tournament I really followed with a bit of insight was the WC in 82 so no, I did not experiance England winning the WC in 66 under Ramsey.

 

What England manager do you rate above him?

 

Taken from Wikipedia, what I was after was how successful he was in the qualifiers.

 

-Improved England's FIFA World ranking from 17th place (Jan 2001) to 5th place (July 2006)

(highest ranking No.4 during World Cup 2006)

 

-Managed to reach the quarter final in three consecutive tournaments (WC 2002, Euro 2004, WC 2006). No other European country achieved this during this period, and on an international level only Brazil. England was also, apart from Sweden, the only European country that did not suffer elimination from group play or failure to qualify during this time (2001-2006).

 

-Achieved the highest point percentage in Major Tournament Matches of all time for an England manager.

 

-Lost only 5 competitive games and achieved top qualifying place in all three International tournaments during his five and a half years as England manager.

 

-Rated by the FA as England's 2nd most successful Manager after Sir Alf Ramsey.

Edited September 15, 2007 by Kaizer

[Kahnee]

-Achieved the highest point percentage in Major Tournament Matches of all time for an England manager.

 

Why aren't I suprised that stats get a mention.

 

He did well, got us as far as he could, but failed every time when it mattered. In my opinion, there were better managers (Robson at Italia 90, Venables at Euro 96). It's not all about the f***in' numbers

[Guest Kaizer]

Why aren't I suprised that stats get a mention.

 

He did well, got us as far as he could, but failed every time when it mattered. In my opinion, there were better managers (Robson at Italia 90, Venables at Euro 96). It's not all about the f***in' numbers

 

I dont think they were better, but thats a matter of opinion, but thats on a completely different level than asking me of my age when I say he was probably the best England manager in my lifetime as some sort of cheap dig.

 

International football has got more competitive during the years and thats why Svennis record in competitive matches with England should be valued highly, since its remarkably good.

 

And saying he failed when it mattered, I dont know, maybe he got his bunch of players as far as it was possible to get them, I did not see Svennis missing the penalties and getting to penalties with only 10 men against Portugal is not that bad, its actually pretty good.

Edited September 15, 2007 by Kaizer

[Kahnee]

I dont think they were better, but thats a matter of opinion, but thats on a completely different level than asking me of my age when I say he was probably the best England manager in my lifetime as some sort of cheap dig.

 

It wasn't a cheap dig. I'm in my 30s, and I remember better managers than Sven, who made some huge mistakes with his squad selection in 2006 and tactical howlers against Brazil in 2002

[Herbie von Smalls]

ironically, manager of the month tends to be awarded on a statistical basis.

 

man citeh played more matches than us in august and got more points. sven deserves it, regardless of how we did. his team have hit the ground running.

[John am Rhein]

-Rated by the FA as England's 2nd most successful Manager after Sir Alf Ramsey.

 

Exactly right, IMO. And Ramsey - like Venebles - might well not have had such a good record but for playing the major tournament in England.

[Earl Hafler]

When it comes to my age, the first big International tournament I really followed with a bit of insight was the WC in 82 so no, I did not experiance England winning the WC in 66 under Ramsey.

 

What England manager do you rate above him?

 

Taken from Wikipedia, what I was after was how successful he was in the qualifiers.

 

-Improved England's FIFA World ranking from 17th place (Jan 2001) to 5th place (July 2006)

(highest ranking No.4 during World Cup 2006)

 

-Managed to reach the quarter final in three consecutive tournaments (WC 2002, Euro 2004, WC 2006). No other European country achieved this during this period, and on an international level only Brazil. England was also, apart from Sweden, the only European country that did not suffer elimination from group play or failure to qualify during this time (2001-2006).

 

-Achieved the highest point percentage in Major Tournament Matches of all time for an England manager.

 

-Lost only 5 competitive games and achieved top qualifying place in all three International tournaments during his five and a half years as England manager.

 

-Rated by the FA as England's 2nd most successful Manager after Sir Alf Ramsey.

 

Sir Bobby made Sven look like a stat obsessed forum freak.

[John am Rhein]

Sir Bobby made Sven look like a stat obsessed forum freak.

 

The stat of actually winning/losing competitive games IS actually important. Unlike all the other out-of-context crap.

[fyds]

The stat of actually winning/losing competitive games IS actually important. Unlike all the other out-of-context crap.

A world cup semi and quarter finals in consecutive world cups while picking the likes of Steve Hodge and Trevor Steven is quite impressive though - more so for me than Sven's 'whoops!' performances, no matter what some aggregated stats say.

[John am Rhein]

A world cup semi and quarter finals in consecutive world cups while picking the likes of Steve Hodge and Trevor Steven is quite impressive though - more so for me than Sven's 'whoops!' performances, no matter what some aggregated stats say.

 

I think it was actually Robson's performances that were the fluke. And Robson's teams performed appallingly badly in the 1984 and 1988 European Championships and weren't particularly good in 1986 either.

[Rimbeux]

I think it was actually Robson's performances that were the fluke. And Robson's teams performed appallingly badly in the 1984 and 1988 European Championships and weren't particularly good in 1986 either.

 

 

We were heading home in '86 until Lineker/Beardsley kicked in and in 1990, with some very good players, only stumbled on a formation that sort of worked mid tourno but were more fortunate to get past Belgium and Cameroon than unfortunate to lose to FRG. Bit of rose tints going on

[L19red]

-Achieved the highest point percentage in Major Tournament Matches of all time for an England manager.

 

sounds great until you remember that there are more games in tournaments now and more points for a win compared to Ramsey's time. Then you realise its a bulls*** statistic.

[Guest Kaizer]

Here is the England World Cup history,

http://www.planetworldcup.com/NATIONS/eng.html

 

and the qualifiers

http://www.planetworldcup.com/NATIONS/eng_qualify.html

 

Qualifiers/tournament:

18 wins, 6 draws*, 2 losses

* one match lost on penalties.

 

This is from Svennis only European Championship qualifiers and tournament.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/hist...group=1460.html

 

Qualifiers/tournament:

8 wins, 3 draws*, 1 loss

* one match lost on penalties.

 

So Svennis overall record for England in competitive matches looks like this

26 wins, 9 draws*, 3 losses.

* 2 matches lost on penalties.

 

I think most people will agree that this is an amazing record, only 3 losses in 38 matches, the losses came against against Brazil in the quarter final in the 2002 World Cup, France in the group phase in Euro 2004 and against Northern Ireland in the 2006 WC qualifiers.

[John am Rhein]

sounds great until you remember that there are more games in tournaments now and more points for a win compared to Ramsey's time. Then you realise its a bulls*** statistic.

 

Only if you're comparing to Ramsey and earlier. Comparing to the others since then (although Revie and Taylor couldn't even qualify) is perfectly sound.

[John am Rhein]

We were heading home in '86 until Lineker/Beardsley kicked in and in 1990, with some very good players, only stumbled on a formation that sort of worked mid tourno but were more fortunate to get past Belgium and Cameroon than unfortunate to lose to FRG. Bit of rose tints going on

 

Certainly in 1986 and, by some accounts, in 1990, England's sudden improvement was down to the senior players getting together and telling the idiot Robson that his ideas, tactics and team selection weren't working.

 

Robson's clinging on to useless sh*te like Wilkins was ever bit as damaging to England's cause as more recent clinging on to Beckham/Lampard/etc.

[Leo No.8]

Sven reminds me of Houllier with his managerial style.

 

He's clearly a good manager overall; a smart guy with good technical knowledge and knows the game inside out. However ultimately his tactics and the team's he leads are relatively uninspirational. Pretty much always a fairly rigid 4-4-2 with a cautious approach.

 

I said he'd do a solid job at City and he's very canny in the European transfer market, but I picked several City defenders in my fantasy team because I felt with him as manager that they would be cautious in their approach and I think they have been. They weren't brilliant against United or Villa but kept their shape well and edged both matches.

 

Despite some talented footballers they won't be brilliant to watch, but he'll bring a lot to City before probably moving on after a couple of years, and I think will get them a UEFA spot come the end of this season (that's not hindsight after the good start, I did say that before the first game).

Edited September 17, 2007 by Leo No.8