Rafa Vs Gerrard...

[Guest The Defender]

The past couple of months have been difficult for the club and the fans.. we've had a usual press bashing.. (IMO i think we get it worse than any other club)... The usual pundits and ex players saying Rafa isn't using the right system.. gerrard isn't in right position etc etc... Gerrard looks un-interested.. un-happy.. etc etc...

 

Is it me.. or does it seem that neutrals and the press seem to enjoy it when we are having problems.. more so than any other club.. even the Champians of england...

 

Is it causing a strain on our manager and captain.. does anybody actually believe that there is a rift between them and they are just thinking to themselves.. i need him.. he needs me.. so put up with it..

 

Who's more inportant...?? (i think rafa IMO)

 

I dont wish to cause unrest with this post.. i just really want to know what everyone else thinks..

[Guest Kev]

The press always love problems, either the truth or making them up. More than likely every other club suffers it's just that we notice it more when it's Liverpool.

 

I haven't heard anything from within the club that mentions a rift etc.

 

We always have problems when we lose, we need to start winning to stop these problems

[Guest BrianF]

Wouldn't surprise me if SFX were behind a lot of this constant negative speculation regarding Gerrard. It's in their best interests and they stand to make a lot of money should he decide to move to another club.

 

we need to start winning to stop these problems

 

Doesn't stop then either, though, does it?

 

We just have to accept that we are not a well liked club or city. Years ago we used to use it to our advantage and create a siege mentality.

[Guest Kev]

We just have to accept that we are not a well liked club or city. Years ago we used to use it to our advantage and create a siege mentality.

 

I wouldn't say that, the Mancs and Chelsea are way ahead of us in the dislike stakes.

[Guest BrianF]

To the neutrals, maybe, but not to the media.

[Guest Kev]

To the neutrals, maybe, but not to the media.

 

Ah, you never said that

[Benitez]

I can't believe anyone even needs to ask who's more important.

 

Each big team gets it, and a big team that's struggling will get it more. So that'd be us.

 

The english press love failure, thefore we'll just have to suck it up basically. And stop adding to it by posting thread after thread about one of the most tedious soap operas in football - aka Steven Gerrard.

[floyd the barber]

last season proved how good gerrard can be on the right, for me its his best position..

 

gerrard--sissoko--alonso---whoever....

looked superb last season....

only reason to change would obviously be for if one is injured..

 

Sissoko is injured right now...so Gerrard moves across and should play center..

 

simple as that.

[_00_deathscar]

Sissoko is injured right now...so Gerrard moves across and should play center..

 

That's the problem though isn't it?

 

Pennant (is) has been utter w***, and Gonzalez hasn't been up to much either....and neither has Gerrard.

 

I think Riise at left mid (Warnock left back) with Garcia on the right is the way to scrape a few wins at the moment, with Gerrard and Alonso in the centre.

 

I don't think playing the youngsters is a good idea ~ it's very rare that a youngster would come into a struggling team and show himself to be a worthy player, and those that are THAT good would already have broken through (at the Gerrard/Owen age). Also, what happens when we play two youngsters on two flanks, and lose even more games with the youngsters confidence shot/deemed not good enough?

 

I honestly don't know how to handle Pennant and Gonzalez either ~ do we let them play themselves into form, or drop em and go for tried + tested?

 

If you do drop them, chance are their confidence would be shot too (Pennant to me looks that sort of player ~ drop him and he loses confidence...not sure about Gonzalez) and wouldn't come back even half as good as they previously were.

[alias75]

After listening to 606 last night im convinced the rumours about Gerrards personnal problems have more than a grain of truth to them, that would certainly explain his attitude in the last few games where hes looked like he has other things on his mind.

 

If there is any truth in those stories im sure playing over not playing is one way of getting your mind off things even if its for 90 minutes every week, but we need Stevie at something like his best to bring the best out of the rest of the team.

[Cooldude]

When you're on the field, off-field problems shouldn't come into it. It'd be entirely unprofessional of him to have his on field performance being affected by it.

[alias75]

When you're on the field, off-field problems shouldn't come into it. It'd be entirely unprofessional of him to have his on field performance being affected by it.

 

If the nature of the problems are accurate id find it hard to concentrate on anything else. Im sure (if there is any truth in this) hed rather be playing than not but at the moment something is not right and it simply isnt a loss of form, his attitude hasnt been right and it has been pretty noticeable in the last few games.

 

We dont have the luxury of leaving him out at the moment even if we'd like too but for the good of the team we need a fully focussed captain playing to a high level. He sets the tone for so much of our attacking play.

[Cooldude]

When you're out on the field, you're assumed to be fit to take the field phsyically or mentally. If you can't take the heat in the kitchen, walk out of it.

 

There are many sportsmen continuing to perform even with personal crisis off the field. If Gerrard has problems then we all sympathise with him, but it's not an excuse to consistently play as s*** as he's been

[_00_deathscar]

When you're on the field, off-field problems shouldn't come into it. It'd be entirely unprofessional of him to have his on field performance being affected by it.

 

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[Andy @ Allerton]

The past couple of months have been difficult for the club and the fans.. we've had a usual press bashing.. (IMO i think we get it worse than any other club)... The usual pundits and ex players saying Rafa isn't using the right system.. gerrard isn't in right position etc etc... Gerrard looks un-interested.. un-happy.. etc etc...

 

Is it me.. or does it seem that neutrals and the press seem to enjoy it when we are having problems.. more so than any other club.. even the Champians of england...

 

Is it causing a strain on our manager and captain.. does anybody actually believe that there is a rift between them and they are just thinking to themselves.. i need him.. he needs me.. so put up with it..

 

Who's more inportant...?? (i think rafa IMO)

 

I dont wish to cause unrest with this post.. i just really want to know what everyone else thinks..

 

The press are based in Manchester and London.

 

Of course they love it when Liverpool don't do well

[Lee W]

Why do some people blame the press when we're playing badly ?

 

Very odd.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Why do some people blame the press when we're playing badly ?

 

Very odd.

 

Whose blaming the press?

 

When we play well the press can't wait to put a slur on the performance

 

When the Mancs play badly and jam a last minute deflected winer - you'd think that they've played better than any team in the history of football

[Dan]

When you're out on the field, you're assumed to be fit to take the field phsyically or mentally. If you can't take the heat in the kitchen, walk out of it.

 

There are many sportsmen continuing to perform even with personal crisis off the field. If Gerrard has problems then we all sympathise with him, but it's not an excuse to consistently play as s*** as he's been

 

I'm sorry but it is a perfectly valid excuse to be playing sh*te, of course it is. Have you never had anything worrying on your mind at work that affects your concentration levels? He's only human.

 

However, it doesn't excuse his attitude as captain which has been poor imo lately. Ill discipline and berating team-mates who are clearly low on confidence early in games is not the way to go about it when he's as guilty as them for stray passess etc.

 

IF there are problems at home the only answer is to give him some time off because at the moment he looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders (again) and that is to the detriment of the team.

Edited November 19, 2006 by DS77

[redjersey]

IF there are problems at home the only answer is to give him some time off because at the moment he looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders (again) and that is to the detriment of the team.

OK, but could we at least stop his 100 grand a week wages while he sorts himself out?

[Guest Jude]

I hope and pray every day that our beloved club is just going through a rough patch and that our team will come good and that our captain will again show that he and our manager think as one ,but then my mind goes back to the day a director called Noel White of over 20 years loyal club service questioned certain things at our club and this really worries me.

Are we just going through a bad spell(i really hope so) or is there something rotten happening behind the scenes(i pray not).

[Dan]

OK, but could we at least stop his 100 grand a week wages while he sorts himself out?

 

Erm i doubt it. I'm sure his contract will have covered stress related illnesses and the like.

 

Maybe he could get a doctors note?

[Lee W]

Whose blaming the press?

 

It's a tedious theme on the forum - accusing the press/London-Manc bias blah, blah, blah for our own shortcomings.

 

 

When we play well the press can't wait to put a slur on the performance

 

Utter nonsense - even the Daily Post give us good right ups when we play well.

 

When the Mancs play badly and jam a last minute deflected winer - you'd think that they've played better than any team in the history of football

 

And the Mancs have exactly what to do with us and the media at the moment ?? (x1000)

 

In case you haven't noticed they are either battering teams or grinding out victories, hence they receive positive-press = no-brainer.

Edited November 19, 2006 by Lee W

[Otocon]

The Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal and even Blackburn have all won the Prem' without Gerrard - why can't we? Bit controversial on here, however, my view is that he thinks he's bigger than the club and with Rafa being far more intelligent, understands this. Let's sell him. Rafa to stay.

[melia]

The Mancs, Chelsea, Arsenal and even Blackburn have all won the Prem' without Gerrard - why can't we? Bit controversial on here, however, my view is that he thinks he's bigger than the club and with Rafa being far more intelligent, understands this. Let's sell him. Rafa to stay.

 

I think you're obsessed with this 'solution'. Oh yeah, and you're starting to look like a right t** now.

[Otocon]

I think you're obsessed with this 'solution'. Oh yeah, and you're starting to look like a right t** now.

 

Just as well that I don't give toss what you think then, isn't it?