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Liverpools zonal defense

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CAD

CAD

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Hello!

 

You don't know me as I post mostly on sixcrazyminutes.com. I just have a quick question for the YNWA experts.

 

I've been thinking about our zonal defense and the goals we seem to concede on set pieces. Every team concedes on setpieces, obviously. It's almost always in the vacuum between the keeper and the two CB's. It just can't be helped. We all know that zonal works just fine and if you doubt the effectiveness just look at Italy for evidence. What concerns me is that an effective zonal defence in Italy is always combined with an offside trap. Especially on setpieces. Something Milan (1990!) and other Italien teams has done to perfection. The lack of this trap has cost us dearly! Remember the away game against Benfica to name one:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auX5Vfb2KBM...ted&search=

 

I'm just wondering if anybody else think that it's a bit strange that we seem to have no real offside trap in place on setpieces?

 

Thanks for a great website btw.

/CAD

Guest Jack Bauer

Guest Jack Bauer

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The bench's reaction always makes me laugh.

Guest Jack Bauer

Guest Jack Bauer

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The only reason the goals we let in from set pieces are analysed so much is because it's usually the fault of zonal marking and it looks really stupid. It's just that we may concede one or two goals because of it, but we prevent countless goals/chances because of it. The only fault with zonal marking is if someone doesn't do their job.

CAD

CAD

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And we concede almost zero goals from set pieces.

 

Really?

 

The Benfica game? See above link

 

0-1 to the Scum Rememer Rio? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40hgOPzbhzI

 

Everton game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNM3S5LT0c...ted&search=

 

Sheffield united game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWfkyERZrE

 

Take a look at more goals at youtube and you will realise that you're talking tripe. Try to control that unfortunate tendency and do some research.

 

2005/06 Fixtures

Jul. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Wed. 13 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 T.N.S. 44,760 UEFA Champions League

Tue. 19 Final T.N.S. 0 - 3 Liverpool 8,009 UEFA Champions League

Tue. 26 Final FBK Kaunas 1 - 3 Liverpool 8,300 UEFA Champions League

Aug. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Tue. 2 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 FBK Kaunas 43,717 UEFA Champions League

Wed. 10 Final CSKA Sofia 1 - 3 Liverpool 16,512 UEFA Champions League

Sat. 13 Final Middlesbrough 0 - 0 Liverpool 31,908 English Premiership

Sat. 20 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 Sunderland 44,913 English Premiership

Tue. 23 Final Liverpool 0 - 1 CSKA Sofia 42,175 UEFA Champions League

Fri. 26 Final Liverpool 3 - 1 CSKA Moscow 80,000 UEFA Super Cup

Sep. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sat. 10 Final Tottenham 0 - 0 Liverpool 36,148 English Premiership

Tue. 13 Final Real Betis 1 - 2 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sun. 18 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Man Utd 44,917 English Premiership

Sat. 24 Final Birmingham 2 - 2 Liverpool 27,733 English Premiership

Wed. 28 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Chelsea UEFA Champions League

Oct. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sun. 2 Final Liverpool 1 - 4 Chelsea 44,235 English Premiership

Sat. 15 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 Blackburn 44,697 English Premiership

Wed. 19 Final Anderlecht 0 - 1 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sat. 22 Final Fulham 2 - 0 Liverpool 22,480 English Premiership

Tue. 25 Final Crystal Palace 2 - 1 Liverpool 19,673 English Carling Cup

Sat. 29 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 West Ham 44,537 English Premiership

Nov. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Tue. 1 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Anderlecht UEFA Champions League

Sat. 5 Final Aston Villa 0 - 2 Liverpool 42,551 English Premiership

Sat. 19 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Portsmouth 44,394 English Premiership

Wed. 23 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Real Betis UEFA Champions League

Sat. 26 Final Man City 0 - 1 Liverpool 47,105 English Premiership

Wed. 30 Final Sunderland 0 - 2 Liverpool 32,697 English Premiership

Dec. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sat. 3 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Wigan 44,098 English Premiership

Tue. 6 Final Chelsea 0 - 0 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sat. 10 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 Middlesbrough 43,510 English Premiership

Thu. 15 Final Saprissa 0 - 3 Liverpool 43,902 FIFA Club World Championship

Sun. 18 Final S㯠Paulo 1 - 0 Liverpool 66,821 FIFA Club World Championship

Mon. 26 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 Newcastle 44,197 English Premiership

Wed. 28 Final Everton 1 - 3 Liverpool 40,158 English Premiership

Sat. 31 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 West Brom 44,192 English Premiership

 

We concede plenty on set pieces!

anny road

anny road

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Really?

 

The Benfica game? See above link

 

0-1 to the Scum Rememer Rio? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40hgOPzbhzI

 

Everton game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNM3S5LT0c...ted&search=

 

Sheffield united game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWfkyERZrE

 

Take a look at more goals at youtube and you will realise that you're talking tripe. Try to control that unfortunate tendency and do some research.

 

2005/06 Fixtures

Jul. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Wed. 13 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 T.N.S. 44,760 UEFA Champions League

Tue. 19 Final T.N.S. 0 - 3 Liverpool 8,009 UEFA Champions League

Tue. 26 Final FBK Kaunas 1 - 3 Liverpool 8,300 UEFA Champions League

Aug. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Tue. 2 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 FBK Kaunas 43,717 UEFA Champions League

Wed. 10 Final CSKA Sofia 1 - 3 Liverpool 16,512 UEFA Champions League

Sat. 13 Final Middlesbrough 0 - 0 Liverpool 31,908 English Premiership

Sat. 20 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 Sunderland 44,913 English Premiership

Tue. 23 Final Liverpool 0 - 1 CSKA Sofia 42,175 UEFA Champions League

Fri. 26 Final Liverpool 3 - 1 CSKA Moscow 80,000 UEFA Super Cup

Sep. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sat. 10 Final Tottenham 0 - 0 Liverpool 36,148 English Premiership

Tue. 13 Final Real Betis 1 - 2 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sun. 18 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Man Utd 44,917 English Premiership

Sat. 24 Final Birmingham 2 - 2 Liverpool 27,733 English Premiership

Wed. 28 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Chelsea UEFA Champions League

Oct. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sun. 2 Final Liverpool 1 - 4 Chelsea 44,235 English Premiership

Sat. 15 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 Blackburn 44,697 English Premiership

Wed. 19 Final Anderlecht 0 - 1 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sat. 22 Final Fulham 2 - 0 Liverpool 22,480 English Premiership

Tue. 25 Final Crystal Palace 2 - 1 Liverpool 19,673 English Carling Cup

Sat. 29 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 West Ham 44,537 English Premiership

Nov. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Tue. 1 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Anderlecht UEFA Champions League

Sat. 5 Final Aston Villa 0 - 2 Liverpool 42,551 English Premiership

Sat. 19 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Portsmouth 44,394 English Premiership

Wed. 23 Final Liverpool 0 - 0 Real Betis UEFA Champions League

Sat. 26 Final Man City 0 - 1 Liverpool 47,105 English Premiership

Wed. 30 Final Sunderland 0 - 2 Liverpool 32,697 English Premiership

Dec. '05 STATUS HOME SCORE AWAY ATT. COMPETITION

Sat. 3 Final Liverpool 3 - 0 Wigan 44,098 English Premiership

Tue. 6 Final Chelsea 0 - 0 Liverpool UEFA Champions League

Sat. 10 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 Middlesbrough 43,510 English Premiership

Thu. 15 Final Saprissa 0 - 3 Liverpool 43,902 FIFA Club World Championship

Sun. 18 Final S㯠Paulo 1 - 0 Liverpool 66,821 FIFA Club World Championship

Mon. 26 Final Liverpool 2 - 0 Newcastle 44,197 English Premiership

Wed. 28 Final Everton 1 - 3 Liverpool 40,158 English Premiership

Sat. 31 Final Liverpool 1 - 0 West Brom 44,192 English Premiership

 

We concede plenty on set pieces!

 

 

not sure why you have listed all the above

 

the fact (THATS FACT) we conceded two league goals from set pieces last season........Chelsea and Everton.....no run along

CAD

CAD

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Well done Cad, you have found 3 in just over a seasons worth of games.

 

we dont concede plenty on set pieces at all.

 

So there is no reason to work on implementing an offside trap. I see - thank you experts...

Benitez

Benitez

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Really?

 

The Benfica game? See above link

 

0-1 to the Scum Rememer Rio? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40hgOPzbhzI

 

Everton game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNM3S5LT0c...ted&search=

 

Sheffield united game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwWfkyERZrE

 

Take a look at more goals at youtube and you will realise that you're talking tripe. Try to control that unfortunate tendency and do some research.

 

 

 

aye, insulting someone is really the way to go innit. :D

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stressederic

stressederic

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So there is no reason to work on implementing an offside trap. I see - thank you experts...

 

Why change something that works? Teams will always score goals from set pieces, its the benefit of being the attacking team, it grants you the initiative. If we were obviously leaking them at a massive rate I'd be concerned, but we're not doing that, so why bother meddling with a good system?

 

f*** off

 

hope that helps

 

Concise and well crafted. I salute you sir.

anny road

anny road

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Why change something that works? Teams will always score goals from set pieces, its the benefit of being the attacking team, it grants you the initiative. If we were obviously leaking them at a massive rate I'd be concerned, but we're not doing that, so why bother meddling with a good system?

Concise and well crafted. I salute you sir.

:D

 

i have just come back from my diplomacy course

 

:unsure:

CAD

CAD

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aye, insulting someone is really the way to go innit. :D

 

 

Yeah - sorry about that. Just got annoyed with the smart-ass oneliners coming back at me!

 

NOWHERE in the original post do I say that the zonal defense hasn't been good for us. I'm just saying that if we combined it with an off-side trap, we might be able to do even better. The Benfica goal is a good example of this.

Gunga Din

Gunga Din

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So there is no reason to work on implementing an offside trap. I see - thank you experts...

 

its practically impossible to play offside traps from setpieces with the new interpretation of the offside law. also, i feel i must point out, as i am unsure of your actual grasp of the game, but you cant be offside from a corner. and to be honest, i cant genuinely remember the last goal we conceded from a corner. the nature of setpieces, as has already been outlined, means conceding some goals from them are inevitable. but 2 goals in 38 league games from set pieces last season, is, in my opinion, not cause for concern. have you got the stats that show how many other teams concede from set pieces? do you have stats from how many we, and other teams concede from failed offside traps? when you get those stats, come back and we will compere and contrast, and give you our expert opinions

Bigal

Bigal

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I remember last season or the season before Alessandro Pistone played the offside trap perfectly, from a throw in, sadly, that didnt count either and they scored.

 

sure it was against newcastle too.

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