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If a honest view is taken of this episode we can see that Tevez is to blame for this whole sorry saga. Calling a pillar of our game a 'sock sucker' or 'idiot' or 'moron' is completely over the top and is tantamount to bringing the game into disrepute. He must be called to account. The sequence of events is irrelevant.

No way, he is a Goomba.

Not strange at at all. Neither is the fact that although the linesman had flagged before the Greek had touched the ball this fact is left out of all analyses.

a bunch of muslim disabled black dwarves with ginger hair, in a gay pub, in Manchester.

The £17 Million stated for Masch includes his pay over the four years doesn't it?

Spot on. Just as you were spot on about Riera never being seen in a Liverpool shirt again.

In his younger more slimmer days.

Particularly as the thread author initially poked fun at how ugly Gareth Bale is. The last time looked he was white. Would he have piped up if only white people were mentioned throughout the thread? It's a question of intent and context. I get continually frustrated how race gets thrown into conversations where it is of no issue. I am fed up of how people think they have to tip toe around any possible cause of offence. Can't think that any rational black person would be offended by this thread. Certainly this one isn't.

The only person on this thread that has classified stereotypes on this thread is you. Admittedely it seems to have been unintentional. Lighten up. Reverse racism is just as abhorrent. Heres one of our own Thommo with his twin.

You tend to get the more insightful and balanced articles from good amatuer journos in my opinion.

Well then he should have made that clear. Sloppy journalism.

Not really that sensible. These would be our Hindu friends not Buddhist!

Again a reference to a media conspiracy. I do not think the author of the original post was suggesting that there was some kind of generic media conspiracy against the club, certainly I would not subscribe to that. It was my understanding that the thread related to Sky's apparent desire to see Benetiz dismissed. That view is at the very least, arguable. I do not have Sky channels and the issue it does not matter to me to the extent that you suggest it might. Hysteria can manifest itself in many ways. Both in ascribing to what appears, on the face of it, to be a cultish collusion nexus but also in a fervent denial of a obvious skewed agenda with an specified aim. You say you have no time to consider the evidence and suggest such matters are perhaps beneath you and in any event perhaps best left to others, if that is the paltry activity they wish to engage in. I say the evidence in sufficiently clear even on a cursory scrutiny. I am told the headlines today from Sky are clear that the major story from yesterday's match is the 'dissallowed goal' of Defoe. A token acknoweldgement of the sides attitude would have been expected in any imparital media outlet. A poster above elucidates better than I ever could with his Iberian Goldfish analogy and the marginalisation of what is almost certainly occuring here also perhaps amounts to a animated reflection.

Fat Sam "We lost because the ref got one decision wrong" "We were in complete control of the game and if anybody is going to score to make it 3-0 it's us. "But then the referee allows a blatant foul on Ryan Nelsen to go unpunished and at this level you have to make sure the referee gets those decisions right. "We are out of a cup final because of that decision perhaps.

Still saying he never got a fair crack of the whip at Liverpool even though he started the vast majority of games while he was here!

Reina Carragher Kuyt

Don't believe George Gillett's claims over Rafael Benitez Tony Barrett As soon as George Gillett gave Rafael Benitez his backing the response of Britain’s bookmaking fraternity should have been to slash the odds on the Liverpool manager losing his job. Gillett’s form is in the book. Whatever he says, expect the opposite. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6995631.ece

The American version of the dreaded vote of confidence?

This is all fair and good but does not deal with the point I made concerning adverse publicity at the beginning of the season or when we were riding high at the end of last season. Also, the theory that is collateral and expected criticism also does not wash when you look at the type of hyperbole being spewed out in the media. Results? performances? Fair game. But fabricated storiies of fistfights or cooling of relationships between player and management and or best players handing in transfer requests can not be considered fair game under any criterion.

Babel back in the sqaud and presumably not going anywhere now? http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/babel-back-in-contention Rafael Benitez has confirmed Ryan Babel is back in contention for a first-team place against Tottenham Hotspur on Wednesday night. Referring to comments made by the player following his omission from the matchday squad against Stoke, Benitez said: "He came to my office and he apologised."He knows he has made a mistake and for me that's enough. I don't want to talk about it too much, it is better to focus on things we can change. "Ryan will be in the squad. We have 20 players ready for the training session and he is among these 20 players."

Because we might still finish fourth. It is about the coverage but you appear to be explaining away the relative lack of adverse media scrutiny on Arsenal in previous seasons by stating that they still managed to secure fourth spot. In an earlier post you differentiated out current strife to Arsenal's and pointed out where they finished at the end of season then sought to draw inferences concerning the criticism being levelled against each club to demonstrate that there was no substantial difference. My point you cannot make a comparison between the two (in terms of where a club finishes) because there is still a variable insofar as this season is concerned. I don't accept the relative coverage is fair. Look at our headlines on Sky's archive for August. It still centred mainly on having to answer critics, rotation, zonal marking. Etc. Did Sky have a vision we were going to have a gash season? Even in April when we flying there was distinct lack of enthusiasm. Headlines at that stage were Rafa's gestures to Sam, Itandje's behaviour, Babel's lack of opportunity etc. Dress it up however you want, but there no level playing field. Not terribly fussed over it but the obvious against the contrary view has to be made.