Is there a consensus that he has gone beyond the point of no return now really? Loved him as a player but when all weighed up maybe it is the right time to cut loose, I don't really agree with Fanning, it doesn't look like the baggage will ever go away while he is in England and I think it is obvious he has come to the same conclusion, it might follow him to spain but there's a chance it won't either. Good luck and we move on but let's dig our heels in and make sure we get at least as much as we got for Torres.