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I can't think of a single person who was happy to see him go.

I'm not doubting that. The timing was forced on them though. As I said it doesn't make the decision any easier to accept.

Was there any way they could have got rid of him that wouldn't have upset people? My understanding of the sequence of events is this: There was a planned end of season reviewRather than go on holidays, Kenny Dalglish went to them and forced it to take place before scheduleThey told him they didn't want to continue and offered to move him in to another positionHe said no so they pulled the plug.If that is correct, then you could also argue that the 'uncertainty' was in some ways caused by Kenny Dalglish forcing the issue with them. If he has gone away on holidays then I'm pretty sure they'd be looking for the manager without any of the current circus. It doesn't make the final result any more palatable but the transition might have been easier.

Even worse from what I remember.

I think you should ask some Celtic fans about that.

I see your point alright. I'd be surprised if they don't have a better understanding of what went on with Rafa Benietz. If he is being considered/not considered I don't the discussions have anything to do with his managerial abilities. Its whether he'd the best person to work within the structure they want to put in place and that, for me, is a reasonable position to take.

Its not a question of naivety. I just don't think they should. Its not about the particular players. I just don't think that players should be involved in any way with choosing the manager.

Players should have absolutely no say in who is appointed manager.

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No one is laughing at people's concerns but I don't think its unreasonable to find the hysteria circle jerk that's going on with some people to be more than a little annoying.

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Less disturbing than the idea of him giving good head which I've now got in my mind. I keep seeing him going down on Dave Whelan in a carpark while the doddery f***** repeats ' stroke the balls, feel the power' over and over again. You are an utter b*****d.

Would any Liverpool manager of the last 20 years survived the first season if he was the owner?

There's a lot of sense in what you say though I don't think I've ever heard really them whinge about things. Until they put a manager in place there is no point in second guessing what they are going to do about transfer funds. Based on last year, there is no way in hell anyone can say that Kenny Dalglish didn't get the financial support he required. That the footballing management setup chose to spend it stupidly is not the owners responsibility even if they bear some of the blame for not monitoring what people were up to.

Same here. Didn't watch the game and apart from the headlines, haven't read anything about it. Did see the photo of Cameron celebrating this morning which didn't make it a good start to the morning. Made the mistake of watching the West Ham game. Forgot how much that b*****d's face look like an orangutang's a******. All that's needed now to complete the circle of hell is a picture ofJohn Terry holding up the Euro 2012 trophy while a grinning Sir Roy f***ing H. looks on.

Completely agree. I've posted it elsewhere but one of the things I dislike most about this is how willing some football fans are to accept this and/or see it as a positively good thing. You wonder just how many human rights abuses or criminal activity some people would be willing to accept from an owner if it guaranteed them the league or a cup win. The Northern Soul brothers will be fully behind us, particularly if that's how things turn out.

I see absolutely no problems with investors being annoyed about the money spent last year. I'm struggling to think of a more disastrous transfer strategy in the club's history. If John Henry is going to get involved in contract negotiations or player purchases then that can only be a good thing. Irrespective of how little or much he knows about football he has far more business savvy than those who implemented the player recruitment policy in the last 18 months and that can only make things better. The club has been run like a glorified corner shop for too long. Its a given we cannot compete with the super-rich clubs but then we weren't the top spenders when we were at our peak either. We were never able to compete with the top clubs in Europe but we just kept on winning and that was down to good scouting, investing in the right players and effective management. As I said earlier, FSG may not be my preferred owner but the are the best of the options we have in front of us. I've no desire, for example, to have the club become the plaything of a super-rich individual. Besides being contradictory to everything the club means to me, watching the celebrations at City last week and looking at the pictures of Abramovich over the weekend made me realise just how much there is about modern football I don't like. I despise the fact that money drives everything and that football has become in many instances just another dick waving competition for the super-rich but the thing I've most difficulty with is how easily football fans will not only accept but actively buy in to this.

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A couple of months ago I was talking to a friend about how s*** the season had been. I said to her it could only get worse if: - Real Madrid won La Liga - Guardiola left Barca - Chelsea won the FA cup and Kenny Dalglish got sacked - Chelsea won the Champions league in a penalty shoot out - West Ham got promoted The only things from the list that didn't happen are: - United win the league on the last day (but jebus) - Torres scores the winner in the Cup Final The only things left are: - Ireland score no goals, get no points and conced 10 goals in the Euros - Roy Hodgson get's the England job and wins the Euros - Stewart Downing is player of the tournament Its turned in to the worst footballing season i can remember and it may get worse.

OK, I'll bite; what 'stuff' have you heard?

Logic hasn't been much in evidence in the last few days and that is understandable. Kenny Dalglish is more than just a footballer or manager. He embodies everything good about Liverpool and a large part of the reason so many of us support the club. You are never going to get a realistic assessment of FSG in the context. I'm very uncomfortable with the cult of personality that surrounds a lot of discussions of Liverpool and the Liverpool manager's position. Some people seem to be looking for a messiah not a manager. FSG look like they want to recreate the management approach of the bootroom except with a little more corporate b****xology. The time of Paisley, Fagen, Shankly, Reuben Bennett and Tom Saunders was based on multiple people having inputs into decisions, on the desire to constantly learn and adapt to different challenges and to do so without ego. That seems to be the essence of their approach and its something that I would like to see happen at the club. They are completely overhauling the corporate structure and that is something that should be applauded. The commercial side of things have been improved out of all recognition and that is fundamentally important. Football is driven by money and if we want to succeed then we need it. That can only come from two sources; the pockets of billionaires or commercial operations. I'd almost certainly give up supporting Liverpool if it was bought by an Abramovich type figure. I've no desire to see something I love become the plaything of a rich man. While I'm not wild about FSG either and would prefer to see the club owned and operated along the German model, if we are going to have a profit driven organisation in control of the club they seem like one of the better options. What they've done commercially so far says they are more than competent. How they've managed the Red Sox suggests they understand the emotional, social and cultural importance of sport. Their challenge is now to put a management structure in place that can deliver sustained success. I'm willing to give them the chance. I've no issues with holding interviews in Boston even though I understand why others might not like it. From my point of view it keeps the whole process out of the public eye and that is a good thing. I've no problems with them talking to lots of people. I'm not interested in hiring the most profile candidate or the one with the most medals or whatever. I want the one who will work best in a management structure that will deliver sustained success.