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There about the same level of ignorance and stupidity here and in the UK.

sadly as a % of out 300m that's means that there's a lot more of them here, and they all have an opinion and a way to publish it.

 

as for the Jimmy Kimmel bit - As Obama said - if its a success they won't be calling it Obamacare....

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There's a decent article about the Republican Party here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24388669

 

The most relevant and significant thing is where it mentions that Republicans are more interested in getting the most ideologically correct candidates on the ballot than in winning general elections. And the same thread of thought holds in the UK Conservative Party. The Right was always pretty pragmatic in Western democracies from the post war period until the 1970s. Since the Reagan/Thatcher era they've got more and more ideologically 'pure', a kind of mirror image of the left, which has become more pragmatic, in general. The evident danger for them is the public leaves them behind while they argue about dogma.

 

Of course, we area little way from that happening, but there are clear pointers in the Tea Party and the Gove/IDS/Osborne wing of the Tories, and a lot of nut job backbenchers. The idiocy of our media-led politics does help them out of this potential hole at the moment, but should labour emerge in power at the next election, in whatever way, Cameron will be ditched and they'll choose a right old loon along the lines of Howard or IDS himself.

 

Anyway, this was about the US. I think we seeing a disintegration of the country, tbh. Most of them are still reasonable people, but this white, gun toting, narrow minded element still has all the cash...the real culture war is yet to happen there.

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Think the central reason for the local v national disconnect is that the States system itself and from that the way the districts for the House are made up. With so many districts being a slam dunk for either party, the main battle for the seat is the primary and so it pays to go for the base.

 

Pre Clinton the Democrat party went through an ideological purity phase in reaction to Reaganomics and other such, now we see the same with the Tea Party born out of the crash bail outs and Obamacare carrying a raft of people into the senate with those votes. That this doesn't play well to independents in national elections is irrelevant to those who's main electoral fear is someone more ideologically pure than them challenging them for a nomination.

 

Current situation is stunning for the ability of one very silly man to lead a load of others over a cliff that was clear and obvious, Obama was not going to cave on the ACA, Harry Reid was not going to make shutdown easier, and most Americans would rightly blame the Republicans for forcing it. It gets worse in two weeks when America could go into default on debt, gets beyond who's to blame then and into how the f*** do they deal with that.

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Pre Clinton the Democrat party went through an ideological purity phase in reaction to Reaganomics and other such, now we see the same with the Tea Party born out of the crash bail outs and Obamacare carrying a raft of people into the senate with those votes. That this doesn't play well to independents in national elections is irrelevant to those who's main electoral fear is someone more ideologically pure than them challenging them for a nomination.

 

I would say the Tea Party is just the latest incarnation of a that dogmatic strand in the Republican Party. Gingrich led a similar charge in the 90s. The difference now is that these are more of a party within a party.

 

I'd also dispute whether those things are ever the direct result of a movement in the other direction by an opposing party. In fact, when one party moves to the right/left, the other party often moves with it (even very subtly) to fill the centre ground vacuum. Were Mondale or Dukakis more left wing than Jimmy Carter anyway?

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I would say the Tea Party is just the latest incarnation of a that dogmatic strand in the Republican Party. Gingrich led a similar charge in the 90s. The difference now is that these are more of a party within a party.

 

I'd also dispute whether those things are ever the direct result of a movement in the other direction by an opposing party. In fact, when one party moves to the right/left, the other party often moves with it (even very subtly) to fill the centre ground vacuum. Were Mondale or Dukakis more left wing than Jimmy Carter anyway?

 

Gingrich was much like Boehner being led by a conservative reaction to Clinton, they pushed him around and eventually got rid, he's always been a whatever works at the time politician. Similarly I'd look at the primary races rather than the eventual nominee and Romney being the moderate trying to beat a field of conservatives and cartoons. It's again the disconnect between the district ad national elections, the base and establishment wishes and influence.

 

There are always ideological streaks in their two parties, partly because there are two parties, but they do tend to come in waves, coalescing around something on the other side like a new Presidential agenda

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I was chatting to one of my neighbors this week and he is a staunch Republican and despises President Obama. He told me that this mess we are in was all my fault for voting for Obama at the last election. When I told him that the 5 electoral votes from Nebraska all went to Romney, he was a little confused. He then proceeded to blame all the African American in North Omaha for using their influence on people in other states. When I asked ny neighbor why he wanted to deprive so many people of affordable health insurance, he told me that the Government should not be intruding into our personal lives. I then asked him how he felt about the Patriot Act and he was fine with that as it kept terrorists at bay. I gave up at this point as rational discussion was out of the question. He obviously watches too much Fox News and listens to the right wing nutters on local radio.

 

Here is another good article on the Health Care issue. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/business/economy/why-the-health-care-law-scares-the-gop.html?src=mv&_r=0

 

Hopefully, the ridiculous antics of the Tea Party and its sheep like followers will hurt them in any upcoming elections. However, I expect this mess to be sorted out out before any elections come around, and then the political spin machine will be revved up and let loose on the poor dumb b******s who will believe any old crap spoon fed to them by their "heroes" at Fox News and people like Rush Limabaugh.

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This is horrendous. Deeply disturbing. A president wants to give poor people better health and that's the reaction? I've spent a lot of time in the US, got some great mates there.

 

What is wrong with people?!

 

 

Sadly, so many over here are unable to get past their hatred of any non white people. The fact that so many of the "poor white trash" in this country would benefit from the ACA is way beyond their understanding. Many of these people really believe that only non whites will benefit from the ACA.

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What this boils down to is power – as always. The right wing republicans that are holding the rest of the republicans to ransom currently have the power and have managed it by getting “tea Party” members and their ilk to vote for them.

 

Defunding the bill makes no sense whatsoever but explaining takes time and effort which isn’t the way things are done – especially in politics.

The affordable care act can be explained to the right wing as Obamacare… 10% more people are in favor of the Affordable care act than they are Obamacare.. that 10% is enough to get a politician voted in…

Obamacare is socialist, promoted by a black man, infringes on individual rights, too much government in your private lives and business etc etc.. all nice easy slogans.

 

The Affordable care act can give health insurance to those who couldn’t afford it, prevents a lot of cost of emergency care for the uninsured being passed on to everyone , means a small business owner can have peace of mind for him, his family and his employees. All of this means taking time to explain the benefits of the unknown and the “tea party” types know that the time is not going to be given by their supporters (or a lot of them).

 

The tea party have been very clever in using the leverage they have. Not sure where it will end but I may be having a chat with my republican representative soon (sadly 2/3rds over the voters went for him in the last election so he’s probably feeling untouchable right now).

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I was chatting to one of my neighbors this week and he is a staunch Republican and despises President Obama. He told me that this mess we are in was all my fault for voting for Obama at the last election. When I told him that the 5 electoral votes from Nebraska all went to Romney, he was a little confused. He then proceeded to blame all the African American in North Omaha for using their influence on people in other states. When I asked ny neighbor why he wanted to deprive so many people of affordable health insurance, he told me that the Government should not be intruding into our personal lives. I then asked him how he felt about the Patriot Act and he was fine with that as it kept terrorists at bay. I gave up at this point as rational discussion was out of the question. He obviously watches too much Fox News and listens to the right wing nutters on local radio.

 

Here is another good article on the Health Care issue. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/business/economy/why-the-health-care-law-scares-the-gop.html?src=mv&_r=0

 

Hopefully, the ridiculous antics of the Tea Party and its sheep like followers will hurt them in any upcoming elections. However, I expect this mess to be sorted out out before any elections come around, and then the political spin machine will be revved up and let loose on the poor dumb b******s who will believe any old crap spoon fed to them by their "heroes" at Fox News and people like Rush Limabaugh.

 

Sort of typical really. We have a few of them here too. Generally they are willfully ignorant and secretly racist.

 

Why didn't you just drop your drawers, squat down, and curl one off in front of him?

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Sort of typical really. We have a few of them here too. Generally they are willfully ignorant and secretly racist.

 

Why didn't you just drop your drawers, squat down, and curl one off in front of him?

 

 

This is the Midwest, the Heartland of America. We do not condone that kind of East coast behavior. :)

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There about the same level of ignorance and stupidity here and in the UK.

sadly as a % of out 300m that's means that there's a lot more of them here, and they all have an opinion and a way to publish it.

 

while the level of ignorance and stupidity is high in UK, it certainly seems to be higher in US. Maybe this is stupidity is more respectable in US.

 

you should invite him round on the snide then shoot him

 

he'd respect that TBF #2ndamendment

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while the level of ignorance and stupidity is high in UK, it certainly seems to be higher in US. Maybe this is stupidity is more respectable in US.

 

 

 

he'd respect that TBF #2ndamendment

 

I don't know if it is higher in the US but idiocy is certainly more admired in this country.

 

(Not in New York though obviously)

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