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Go on and tell us if you agree with him or not.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

 

 

Stephen Fry shocks feminists by claiming women don't really like sex

Women are just as capable as men of enjoying sex and remarks are 'kind of rubbish', says feminist writer Rosie Boycott

Polly Vernon

The Observer, Sunday 31 October 2010

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In his Attitude interview, Fry claims that most straight men feel they disgust women. Photograph: Eric Charbonneau/WireImage

Broadcaster and writer Stephen Fry has tried to establish himself as an unlikely authority on female sexuality, claiming that straight women only go to bed with men "because sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship".

 

In uncharacteristically extreme comments, the openly gay Twitter champion said he believed most straight men felt that "they disgust women" as they "find it difficult to believe that women are as interested in sex as they are".

 

"For good reason," he declares in a candid interview in the November issue of Attitude magazine. "If women liked sex as much as men, there would be straight cruising areas in the way there are gay cruising areas. Women would go and hang around in churchyards thinking: 'God, I've got to get my f***ing rocks off', or they'd go to Hampstead Heath and meet strangers to shag behind a bush. It doesn't happen. Why? Because the only women you can have sex with like that wish to be paid for it."

 

Fry, 53, continues: "I feel sorry for straight men. The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want," he said. "Of course, a lot of women will deny this and say, 'Oh no, but I love sex, I love it!' But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?"

 

The remarks denote a marked break in tone from a man whose public shtick tends towards inoffensive charm and gently upmarket wit and are likely to be roundly dismissed by those who have embraced the idea of women's ability to have unemotional, uncommitted sex as an empowered lifestyle choice.

 

Rosie Boycott, the journalist and feminist, said the remarks were "kind of rubbish. Women are just as capable as men are of enjoying sex. We don't go cruising or cottaging on Hampstead Heath because we don't need to. Cottaging on Hampstead Heath is presumably a hangover from the days when, sadly, [homosexuality] was illegal… Women have other ways to get our thrills, and we can go and get them in bars or clubs. Having said which, we probably also do it in parks sometimes too. It's just that we don't call it cottaging. I'm sure I've done it in parks in my time."

 

Paul Flynn, the journalist who spoke to Fry, said: "I thought it was quite an odd generalisation to make at the time, but he delivered it with certainty and it was clearly something he'd thought about."

 

The theory has left several commentators bemused. Susie Orbach, the psychotherapist and feminist campaigner, said she was interested in the wider implications of Fry's beliefs: "I'm really intrigued by his notion that men's sexuality is disgusting in some way. Why would he believe that women could be so disgusted by men? Does he think there is something disgusting about sex?"

 

For Flynn, the bewilderment sprang more from a homosexual man's belief in his authority on female sexuality. "Gay men debating the whys and wherefores of female sexuality… for very obvious reasons, we can hardly claim to be experts," he said. "I'm more interested in his feeling that straight men are somehow to be pitied. That's quite a radical standpoint."

 

Fry's theory that straight women use sex as a currency in their pursuit of romantic love appears to run contrary to the wider movement to destigmatise – or "de-slut" – ideas surrounding sexually active females. The trend has gained ground over the past decade with characters such as Sex and the City's Samantha Jones owing their popularity to a fondness for no-strings, anonymous sex – and lots of it.

 

Fry is in a relationship with 25-year-old actor Steven Webb. In the interview, he also speaks with frankness about his experiences in the "extraordinary underworld" of cottaging in his youth, cautioning, however, that while he was "slightly obsessed" with the clandestine practice as a teenager it was more for the graffiti and sense of solidarity.

 

FRY ON...

 

Happiness Happiness is no respecter of persons.

 

Paddington Bear I've always had great respect for Paddington because he is amusingly English and eccentric. He is a great British institution and my generation grew up with the books and then Michael Hordern's animations.

 

Television I don't watch TV. I think it destroys the art of talking about oneself.

 

Cliches It is a cliche that most cliches are true, but then, like most cliches, that cliche is untrue.

 

Journalism Many people would no more think of entering journalism than the sewage business - which at least does us all some good.

 

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010

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Go on and tell us if you agree with him or not.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/31/stephen-fry-sex-women-relationships-attitude

 

 

Stephen Fry shocks feminists by claiming women don't really like sex

Women are just as capable as men of enjoying sex and remarks are 'kind of rubbish', says feminist writer Rosie Boycott

Polly Vernon

The Observer, Sunday 31 October 2010

larger | smaller

 

In his Attitude interview, Fry claims that most straight men feel they disgust women. Photograph: Eric Charbonneau/WireImage

Broadcaster and writer Stephen Fry has tried to establish himself as an unlikely authority on female sexuality, claiming that straight women only go to bed with men "because sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship".

 

In uncharacteristically extreme comments, the openly gay Twitter champion said he believed most straight men felt that "they disgust women" as they "find it difficult to believe that women are as interested in sex as they are".

 

"For good reason," he declares in a candid interview in the November issue of Attitude magazine. "If women liked sex as much as men, there would be straight cruising areas in the way there are gay cruising areas. Women would go and hang around in churchyards thinking: 'God, I've got to get my f***ing rocks off', or they'd go to Hampstead Heath and meet strangers to shag behind a bush. It doesn't happen. Why? Because the only women you can have sex with like that wish to be paid for it."

 

Fry, 53, continues: "I feel sorry for straight men. The only reason women will have sex with them is that sex is the price they are willing to pay for a relationship with a man, which is what they want," he said. "Of course, a lot of women will deny this and say, 'Oh no, but I love sex, I love it!' But do they go around having it the way that gay men do?"

 

The remarks denote a marked break in tone from a man whose public shtick tends towards inoffensive charm and gently upmarket wit and are likely to be roundly dismissed by those who have embraced the idea of women's ability to have unemotional, uncommitted sex as an empowered lifestyle choice.

 

Rosie Boycott, the journalist and feminist, said the remarks were "kind of rubbish. Women are just as capable as men are of enjoying sex. We don't go cruising or cottaging on Hampstead Heath because we don't need to. Cottaging on Hampstead Heath is presumably a hangover from the days when, sadly, [homosexuality] was illegal… Women have other ways to get our thrills, and we can go and get them in bars or clubs. Having said which, we probably also do it in parks sometimes too. It's just that we don't call it cottaging. I'm sure I've done it in parks in my time."

 

Paul Flynn, the journalist who spoke to Fry, said: "I thought it was quite an odd generalisation to make at the time, but he delivered it with certainty and it was clearly something he'd thought about."

 

The theory has left several commentators bemused. Susie Orbach, the psychotherapist and feminist campaigner, said she was interested in the wider implications of Fry's beliefs: "I'm really intrigued by his notion that men's sexuality is disgusting in some way. Why would he believe that women could be so disgusted by men? Does he think there is something disgusting about sex?"

 

For Flynn, the bewilderment sprang more from a homosexual man's belief in his authority on female sexuality. "Gay men debating the whys and wherefores of female sexuality… for very obvious reasons, we can hardly claim to be experts," he said. "I'm more interested in his feeling that straight men are somehow to be pitied. That's quite a radical standpoint."

 

Fry's theory that straight women use sex as a currency in their pursuit of romantic love appears to run contrary to the wider movement to destigmatise – or "de-slut" – ideas surrounding sexually active females. The trend has gained ground over the past decade with characters such as Sex and the City's Samantha Jones owing their popularity to a fondness for no-strings, anonymous sex – and lots of it.

 

Fry is in a relationship with 25-year-old actor Steven Webb. In the interview, he also speaks with frankness about his experiences in the "extraordinary underworld" of cottaging in his youth, cautioning, however, that while he was "slightly obsessed" with the clandestine practice as a teenager it was more for the graffiti and sense of solidarity.

 

FRY ON...

 

Happiness Happiness is no respecter of persons.

 

Paddington Bear I've always had great respect for Paddington because he is amusingly English and eccentric. He is a great British institution and my generation grew up with the books and then Michael Hordern's animations.

 

Television I don't watch TV. I think it destroys the art of talking about oneself.

 

Cliches It is a cliche that most cliches are true, but then, like most cliches, that cliche is untrue.

 

Journalism Many people would no more think of entering journalism than the sewage business - which at least does us all some good.

 

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010

 

He needs to do some more research. There are plenty of perfectly good slags out there who love a good session.

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So this is what he was moaning about on his twitter today.

 

He reckons the paper misquoted the interview, which had already misquoted him and was meant to be "humorous" in any case.

 

The Obs claim they have quoted him accurately. I am disappointed they didn't allow the original article to be commented upon on the website, it would have made for some excellent shriekery and burning of internet bras.

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find it quite amusing that the woman in the article claims shes had sex in parks as if its some sort of badge of honour.Yes love, it means youre a slag.

 

In fairness, it doesn't. She could have been dogging or she could have been putting a bit of spice (I think most women's magazines call it) into a committed, loving relationship.

 

Or she could have been acquiescing to her partner's request for some outdoor fun as a desperate ploy to keep him satisfied and committed to their relationship.

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find it quite amusing that the woman in the article claims shes had sex in parks as if its some sort of badge of honour.Yes love, it means youre a slag.

 

That says rather more about your attitude to sex than it does about Boycott's character.

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of course he is joking, but there is an element of truth in what he is saying

 

It's tragic for the Obs that they couldn't see how he was joking. It can be hard to see a tongue in a cheek of a face as po-ed as theirs but they really took him very seriously, didn't they?

 

And yes, most men of the world have experience of women who operate exactly as Fry describes though it is to be hoped that they've had more variation in their diet too.

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