Us v The Mancs

[Kahnee]

Just looking at Rafa's first game against that lot back in 2004, and the changes in the squads struck me.

 

TEAMSHEET

 

Roy Carroll

Gabriel Heinze

Rio Ferdinand

Mickael Silvestre

Wes Brown

Ryan Giggs

Michael Carrick

John O'Shea

Cristiano Ronaldo

Paul Scholes

Ruud van Nistelrooy

SUBS

Darren Fletcher

Ji-Sung Park

Alan Smith

Ricardo

Kleberson

 

 

Jerzy Dudek

John Arne Riise

Jamie Carragher

Sami Hyypia

Josemi

Harry Kewell

Xabi Alonso

Steven Gerrard

Steve Finnan

Djibril Cisse

Luis Garcia

SUBS :

Milan Baros

Salif Diao

Dietmar Hamann

Chris Kirkland

Djimi Traore

 

We've changed a hell of a lot in four years, with a lot of dross being shipped out

Kinda gives you faith that we're heading in the right direction

[fred milne]

We've changed a hell of a lot in four years. Kinda gives you faith that we're heading in the right direction

Its worth remembering that a lot of players have been both brought in and let go by Rafa.

 

Off the top of my head: Josemi, Garcia, Nunez, Pellegrino, Morientes, Crouch, Sissoko, Zenden, Kromkamp, Fowler, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Paletta. (Clearly, Alonso would be another if we get the price we're after.)

[Kahnee]

Its worth remembering that a lot of players have been both brought in and let go by Rafa.

 

I don't have a problem with that. Hanging on to dead wood was one of GH's downfalls

[The_Adder]

I don't have a problem with that. Hanging on to dead wood was one of GH's downfalls

 

GH = Gave too much time to his own buys

 

Rafa = If I bought you and your not good enough , your out, NOW.

[Paul_LFC]

No Djemba Djemba? Disappointing.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Just looking at Rafa's first game against that lot back in 2004, and the changes in the squads struck me.

 

TEAMSHEET

 

Roy Carroll

Gabriel Heinze

Rio Ferdinand

Mickael Silvestre

Wes Brown

Ryan Giggs

Michael Carrick

John O'Shea

Cristiano Ronaldo

Paul Scholes

Ruud van Nistelrooy

SUBS

Darren Fletcher

Ji-Sung Park

Alan Smith

Ricardo

Kleberson

Jerzy Dudek

John Arne Riise

Jamie Carragher

Sami Hyypia

Josemi

Harry Kewell

Xabi Alonso

Steven Gerrard

Steve Finnan

Djibril Cisse

Luis Garcia

SUBS :

Milan Baros

Salif Diao

Dietmar Hamann

Chris Kirkland

Djimi Traore

 

We've changed a hell of a lot in four years, with a lot of dross being shipped out

Kinda gives you faith that we're heading in the right direction

 

of course, I believe we're heading in the right direction.

 

not sure that it necessarily follows from what you've posted, though - like any new manager, he has made lots of changes to the squad. Souness did, too, and not for the better.

[Hassony]

I don't have a problem with that. Hanging on to dead wood was one of GH's downfalls

 

also many of these players were sold for profit

[Kahnee]

of course, I believe we're heading in the right direction.

 

not sure that it necessarily follows from what you've posted, though - like any new manager, he has made lots of changes to the squad. Souness did, too, and not for the better.

 

My point being he has made changes that, unlike Souness, have been for the better

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

My point being he has made changes that, unlike Souness, have been for the better

 

by pointing out that Garcia and Hamann have gone?

 

I'm not saying you're wrong about the progress we're making, but can't follow the logic of your first post I'm afraid.

[Kahnee]

by pointing out that Garcia and Hamann have gone?

 

I'm not saying you're wrong about the progress we're making, but can't follow the logic of your first post I'm afraid.

 

All I was doing was musing on the number of changes there have been - in particular, and entire subs bench has gone - while our rivals haven't made so many.

 

That was really it

 

The comment about dross wasn't aimed specifically at the players who had been crossed out, was more just a general observation

 

I'm sorry that all this wasn't spelt out in words of one syllable for you

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

All I was doing was musing on the number of changes there have been - in particular, and entire subs bench has gone - while our rivals haven't made so many.

 

That was really it

 

The comment about dross wasn't aimed specifically at the players who had been crossed out, was more just a general observation

 

I'm sorry that all this wasn't spelt out in words of one syllable for you

 

you don't half get pissy when someone politely disagrees with you.

 

anyway, a minute ago, when I said that lots of changes weren't necessarily a good thing, apparently your point was that it was the quality, not the quantity of changes that was important. a couple of posts later, and it's exactly the opposite.

[mally]

Harry Kewell

 

That looks so good I'm going to make it my signature

[usualsuspect]

We've changed a hell of a lot in four years, with a lot of dross being shipped out

Kinda gives you faith that we're heading in the right direction

 

..and yet they still kick our ass!

[Will]

..and yet they still spawn their way to victory

[Cliff M]

I'd rather be with Rafa than Ged at the helm (though that treble was sweeeeet).

[Guest GrandpaSimpson]

Just looking at Rafa's first game against that lot back in 2004, and the changes in the squads struck me.

 

TEAMSHEET

 

Roy Carroll

Gabriel Heinze

Rio Ferdinand

Mickael Silvestre

Wes Brown

Ryan Giggs

Michael Carrick

John O'Shea

Cristiano Ronaldo

Paul Scholes

Ruud van Nistelrooy

SUBS

Darren Fletcher

Ji-Sung Park

Alan Smith

Ricardo

Kleberson

Jerzy Dudek

John Arne Riise

Jamie Carragher

Sami Hyypia

Josemi

Harry Kewell

Xabi Alonso

Steven Gerrard

Steve Finnan

Djibril Cisse

Luis Garcia

SUBS :

Milan Baros

Salif Diao

Dietmar Hamann

Chris Kirkland

Djimi Traore

 

We've changed a hell of a lot in four years, with a lot of dross being shipped out

Kinda gives you faith that we're heading in the right direction

 

You don't work, do you?

[Lanus]

Its worth remembering that a lot of players have been both brought in and let go by Rafa.

 

Off the top of my head: Josemi, Garcia, Nunez, Pellegrino, Morientes, Crouch, Sissoko, Zenden, Kromkamp, Fowler, Bellamy, Gonzalez, Paletta. (Clearly, Alonso would be another if we get the price we're after.)

 

yes but it is also worth considering that Rafa probably wouldnt buy players of that qulity bracket anymore as we've come up a level under him.

[Lanus]

..and yet they still kick our ass!

 

ya but we've got Torres