Moores

[Flight]

I'm not going to slate our Chairman. He has been one of the most dignified people in Football for the last ten years; he is also very obviously a big fan. As a person and as a fellow red I think he is a terrific human being. My next door neighbour was best mates with his step son - we've discussed it a lot with him being a fellow red. A terrific set of people. His life has been beset by tragedy as well as many highs.

 

Those things, though, fall far short of what is needed to be the Chairman of a major organisation Like LFC, in football or elsewhere. This is where my only problems with him are.

 

He has been given massive amounts of money in his life; he received huge financial recompense for the tragedies that have bestruck him. He has inherited great wealth and he was given his shares in LFC. Those shares have sky rocketed in value and to be fair, he has never invested any of his wealth in the club.

 

He has tried to start business ventures in his life. Every business he has started has gone bankrupt.

 

 

I reckon he was ready to sell up for whatever he could get before we won the Champions League. I also reckon that the Champions League win changed his thinking on that. Now he is ready to sell but seems to be holding out for higher than potential investors seem to think his shares are worth.

 

 

This seems a balanced article, together with Forbes valuing of what clubs are worth.

 

According to LFC History - 1 , 2, 3, 4, our net spend on players has been £12mill a year under Ged and Rafa. Is that a sufficient outlay ?

 

 

Now is the most optimistic I have been as a red since the early 90's. It seems to have been 15 years of looking for the final piece of the puzzle. I'd suggest that is down to Rafa not any of the board, mind you. On that basis I would fear for our future again if Rafa should leave in the near future, without finishing what he has started.

 

I'm open to what any of you has to say about Moores and I am hoping it is positive. As a human being I hold him in high regard, but as a Chairman I have strong doubts. Maybe someone can change my mind because I really do rate him as a person ?

[Guest Cardie]

Good.

 

We may need additional investment but that doesn't mean Moores has been bad for the club.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

I think he is a terrific human being.

 

hmmm

[Smigger]

Nice bloke.....poor Chariman !

[Kahnee]

I see Kev's typing

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Nice bloke

 

do you know him?

[Smigger]

do you know him?

 

Do you ?

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Do you ?

 

nope

 

that's why I haven't commented on his charcter

 

so, do you?

[Smigger]

nope

 

that's why I haven't commented on his charcter

 

so, do you?

 

I have a friend who's known him since his school days and he tell's me while he aint the sharpest tool in the box he is a nice fella with no side to him !

 

Does this qualify ?

Edited July 21, 2006 by Smigger

[Guest Kev]

Moores was born into wealth and I also know his business acumen is dodgy to say the least.

 

He has to make the big decisions, whether or not he is guided by others and takes their word(s) is open to debate.

 

He maybe one of the chairmen that does not court publicity and likes to stay behind the scenes, but that doesn't make him a better or worse chairmen is another topic that can be discussed.

 

He has been over the years a great chairman, but lately - say the last 4 years he appears to me to have dithered over crucial decisions like the Owen and Houllier saga.

 

Yes he brought Rafa in and like the original poster says, if Rafa was to go I would worry. I would worry a lot less if Moores and Parry were to go.

 

We have not laid one brick on the new stadium in the six years that the first plans were made public, the club has spent millions on trying to get investors into the club and each time its failed. Its failed because Moores and Parry will not relinquish their posts within the club.

 

Is this day and age no-one is going to hand over money and let the two of them carry on doing what they are doing now. On the field we are brilliant, off the field we are second rate and will soon become second-tier buyers and rely on the manager a lot more to mould certain players.

 

I would love to know if Rafa would have preffered Chevchenko to Bellamy, just to prove a point.

 

Money does buy success, and I would love to see what Rafa could do given more funding.

 

Do I think he's bad for the club ? Yes.

Edited July 21, 2006 by Kev

[The Mighty Kemlyn]

he was given his shares in LFC. Those shares have sky rocketed in value and to be fair, he has never invested any of his wealth in the club.

 

Please tell me how you are qualified to make such an assumption.

[Guest Cardie]

He has been over the years a great chairman, but lately - say the last 4 years he appears to me to have dithered over crucial decisions like the Owen and Houllier saga.

 

Yes he brought Rafa in and like the original poster says, if Rafa was to go I would worry. I would worry a lot less if Moores and Parry were to go.

 

To be fair Owen isn't his call, it's the managers and he's employed a Cheif Exec to take care of footballing matters like hiring and firing managers.

[Guest Cally77]

Is this Koptalk?

[Guest Kev]

To be fair Owen isn't his call, it's the managers and he's employed a Cheif Exec to take care of footballing matters like hiring and firing managers.

 

He's the chairman, its down to him to make those decisions. If a player is stalling then he needs to step in. Don't forget it was Moores that stepped in (for once) when Gerrard seemed destined to leave.

 

As for the Chief Exec, don't get me started. I believe that he has far to much power and sway about what goes on.

 

Is this Koptalk?

 

No, but you are more than welcome to go back there if this doesn't suit you.

[Kite]

I think he's definitely not as good as chips

[Guest Cardie]

He's the chairman, its down to him to make those decisions. If a player is stalling then he needs to step in. Don't forget it was Moores that stepped in (for once) when Gerrard seemed destined to leave.

 

As for the Chief Exec, don't get me started. I believe that he has far to much power and sway about what goes on.

 

You know far more than this about me so I'll leave it to you but I don't think the Chairman should have any say in who we should and shouldn't sign unless he's made clear that he's part of the decision making process from the start. If he's passed that baton to the CE then he has to trust that person to make the decisions in conjuction with the manager..

 

If he doesn't trust him then get rid.

[Guest Ant]

All I am going to say is that David Moores has led us through some of the most fantasic few years of this clubs history.

 

Do I think THAT is bad for the club?

 

No..And I guess some of you think the same

[smithdown]

He might not be perfect but compare him to others and he is feckin fantastic.

 

Ask any manager in Europe without Abramovitch's millions whether they would like Shevchenko, ask Bayern if they would have him and Ballack in their side if they could. They can't have them because they can't compete financially. Does that mean Bayern are in the second tier?

 

He could have sold out to some of the well publicised bidders...Morgan, Kraft, the Thais etc. But he never. Whether that was cos he wouldn't relinquish control for selfish reasons or because he didn't feel they would do a better job in terms of taking care of the club he loves is a moot point. I'd like to think the latter.

 

If the criticism is about the stadium then thats one thing. The rest of it is demanding a degree of perfection that would make erstwhile Eurpoean Champions like Aston Villa and Nottnigham Forest fans sick with laughter.

[Guest Kev]

You know far more than this about me so I'll leave it to you but I don't think the Chairman should have any say in who we should and shouldn't sign unless he's made clear that he's part of the decision making process from the start. If he's passed that baton to the CE then he has to trust that person to make the decisions in conjuction with the manager..

 

If he doesn't trust him then get rid.

 

I honestly don't know far more, a lot is the picture I have through being told things over the years by several different people.

 

I'm not saying that the chairman should have a say in who we sign or don't. The chairman must be aware of off the field and on the field activities, and if one of those activities is producing negativity that cannot be handled by others, then he has to step in.

 

In all lines of business there is a chain of command and that chain decides on how news good or bad is delivered to the chairman. The chairman then makes the decision based on the 'facts' he has been given. Sometimes, as in other businesses those 'facts' are watered down.

 

Keep you friends close and your Chief Executives closer

[Guest Cally77]

So Moores is a bad chairman because Chelsea were able to spend thirty million on some past it superstar and pay him 130 grand a week, and we weren't?

[Guest Ant]

So Moores is a bad chairman because Chelsea were able to spend thirty million on some past it superstar and pay him 130 grand a week, and we weren't?

 

Moores Isn't bad for not being able to afford players like that who will deliever us the title, they are arguing that it is his fault for not giving the reigns to someone with a view of investment and control.

[Guest Kev]

He might not be perfect but compare him to others and he is feckin fantastic.

 

Ask any manager in Europe without Abramovitch's millions whether they would like Shevchenko, ask Bayern if they would have him and Ballack in their side if they could. They can't have them because they can't compete financially. Does that mean Bayern are in the second tier?

 

He could have sold out to some of the well publicised bidders...Morgan, Kraft, the Thais etc. But he never. Whether that was cos he wouldn't relinquish control for selfish reasons or because he didn't feel they would do a better job in terms of taking care of the club he loves is a moot point. I'd like to think the latter.

 

If the criticism is about the stadium then thats one thing. The rest of it is demanding a degree of perfection that would make erstwhile Eurpoean Champions like Aston Villa and Nottnigham Forest fans sick with laughter.

 

Would you buy a house that you wanted to live in but the owners wanted to stay and live there and take your money ?

Would you buy a car and give the owners the money and the keys and let them carry on driving ?

 

I didn't want the Thai bid, the Morgan bid I was 75% for it, but the Kraft bid looked excellent.

[Guest Bop Bop Baby]

So Moores is a bad chairman because Chelsea were able to spend thirty million on some past it superstar and pay him 130 grand a week, and we weren't?

you're hilarious. you see one point you think can make controversy and you ignore the rest and focus on that.

 

[Guest Kev]

So Moores is a bad chairman because Chelsea were able to spend thirty million on some past it superstar and pay him 130 grand a week, and we weren't?

 

That's not the question or point of this thread.

[Guest Cally77]

I hate all this crap. Questioning the chairman and board. It's so smalltime. Wouldn't have happened in my day.