Ronnie#5

The new CL deal aligned to the new PL TV deal mean an English club in the CL in 2015 will earn double what they did last year. In reality this means LFC earned around £63m from tv income in 2012-13 (PL & Europa League). If we are in the CL for 2015-16 our combined TV income would be at least £145m. If figures like that can't get these boys to open their wallets this Jan and start to pay the wages, then I don't know what will. We're in a fantastic position in the league. 3 top buys in Jan followed by new contracts for Johnson, Suarez & Coutinho (I'd be stunned if he's on more than £40k pw) and we're on our way to competing again. The reality of the situation means that it's going to cost a helluva lot more to get into the CL places once the teams in there start earning the new money. So the time to elevate yourself is now. Over to you FSG. This guy makes some great points http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9008210/Johnny-Nic

Not really. They binned their 3 biggest earners in the summer and replaced them with more 'team' players.... nearly back to Moneyball in reality. But don't let that narrative fool you... They had the 4th highest payroll in Baseball this year! That said, the differential between themselves & the Yankees in terms of payroll has widened significantly (their payroll used to be 80-90%) of the Yankees. This year it was around 70%. http://deadspin.com/2013-payrolls-and-salaries-for-every-mlb-team-462765594 It's the equivalent of Arsenal winning the league here.

Absolutely. He may not have been my favourite player but he had a massive set of balls and def scored his fair share of big goals for us.

Fair enough. His autobiography will be called 'Miscontrol' though. Hendo is certainly no Xavi but I don't ever find myself wondering how he's spent the best part of half his life playing football full time yet still can't figure out how to use the thing.

You're close ... nah, I just figured I can get into enough bother on here about football without sticking it to someone over the unfortunate name they gave their kid! Consistent DH! by the way does your sis know you'd be giving the antidote to Kate Bush before her when the Zombies finally come to take over the world?!

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Obviously a s***ty source nah, I just read it wrong. The payroll for 2014 is now scheduled to be $104m but that's just for now cos they'll sign a couple of players. My link That said look at the differential between the average payroll and the Sox. It's been declining these past 4 years and is now half what it was 3 years ago. They're obviously going through a similar process over there. (Just not as dramatic as I 1st thought )

Absolutely. But if you trawl through 147 these pages you'll find plenty of posters who suggest that they didn't get a very good deal when buying the club.

Yeah but as with any asset it sets a price range. On a side note the Red Sox are killing us! FSG applied a similar wage austerity strategy in advance of this season and knocked $40m (30%) off their payroll. The result: Last season no playoffs.- $145m payroll This season they're in the conference final. $103m payroll

Back to topic. ... Quite a few on here have disagreed over my (& others assertion) that FSG bought the club cheap. That it's worth far more today than what they paid for it etc etc. well, Inter Milan is now valued at £430m following the sale of Moratti's shares to the Indonesian group. Deloitte Money League season 2011-2012: Liverpool turnover €233m. No European football Inter Milan turnover €184m. They were in the CL that season.

Yeah I've a Harry as well but I do call him Harold from time to time just to freak yummy-mummy's out. "Harold? what kind of a name is that to give a child" has been heard on more than one occasion in my local playground.

I think he means the fans.

Ah I as only teasing mate. f*** knows what he's said about the Red Sox, and who cares. I get the 'yank' thing but I'd be lot happier if he just came out and said he hadn't a clue about football, thinks its a weird sport cos you can get a 'tie-game' but f*** me there's money in it,

Our crowd aren't helping in that regard. It's f***ing outrageous the stick the lad was getting at the weekend. And Rossiter? He's bloody top class. Boys got the lot. In terms of when you introduce him to the 1st team, If you threw him in say after Xmas in 2014/15 season he'll be just turning 18. Fabregas made his debut for Arsenal at the same age Rossiter is now. Buy 18 he'd clocked up 50 appearances. Just saying.

Put some time into and see if he's ever referred to the Red Sox as a 'property'. He's a spoofer. Now, John W Henry? He certainly isn't a spoofer. I'd be thrilled if he upped sticks from Brookline and moved to Blundellsands and took a more hands on approach to running the club. Rest of FSG? f*** knows. Ask NYR as he seems to have an in with some of them. But Werner, although a very successful businessman and TV exec, is, as far as Liverpool FC is concerned, a complete & total f***ing spoofer.

Easy tiger.

Utd won 4 leagues & a CL with an ageing Paul Scholes and 4 other lads rotating in CM. Though aside from that I broadly agree with you. Think our midfield problems are tactical more than personnel.

Yeah but, property??! We're not a office block in Virginia. He's some spoofer.

I started this bandwagon last season. We're tailor made to play the Milan 4-3-1-2. Listening to Rodgers this week, it seems he's in agreement so in that case Moses gets dropped for Coutinho, Hendo or Gerrard sits with Allen to the left. I've been suggesting Gerrard sits but I think it makes more sense to have Hendo sit and allow Gerrard to have a stronger influence up the pitch.

ha! stay on the ale mate. absolutely. he starts ahead of Lucas for me.

You have to hand it them. Shift Ayre back to the showroom floor and bring back John Barnes and we got ourselves a trifecta!

I amended my original post cos in fairness it was harsh on Carrick. I still think it's pointless comparing Henderson to him. His best position is CB yet he's played only a handful of games there for us. I'd love to see him after 250 Premier League games as a CM and then we can compare to Carrick Totally agree on Fletcher. A perfect example of Ferguson hype

Carrick was average for years at Utd, had 3 great seasons age 28-31. Back to average this season so far. And I'm not having that Fletcher shout. No f***ing chance