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Well done to get it on the BBC website too.

Spot on. I don't like Gerrard in CM either and most likely Aquilani is too attacking / lightweight for that role as well. In other words, in case someone hasn't noticed, our squad is a bit f***ed at the minute.

I get what you're saying, but this made me smile (in a way only a deeply depressed person would).

... that he will be sold in January?

Spurs, Villa, Fiorentina, Chelsea, Sunderland, Lyon. Before the summer, I'd have said we'll win 5 out of those 7 and draw the remaining two. Even after the summer I'd have given us 4 wins, maybe 2 draws and 1 defeat. This is definitely more than just about the owners. The manager and the players need to have a long hard look in the mirror before Sunday, if we are to get ANYTHING out of this season.

Kelly Yossi Aurelio

... is f***ing s***. Hope it ends tomorrow. Although beat the Mancs and I'll probably change my mind.

This is Rafa being contrary for the sake of it.

Johnson = 17M Kelly = 117M

Exactly. Stupid, stupid decision.

f***ing f***, all we needed.

Fair enough. I honestly didn't see him do anything worthwhile yesterday and find it baffling that some people did. The same thing happened here after another match recently as well, and it seems to me like some people are backing Voronin only cos' he's been criticised by the majority for so long. IMO, nothing has changed and he remains the same non-entity of a player.

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There is nothing - NOTHING - Voronin does on a football pitch, which goes anywhere near the level needed at Liverpool. Funny, how people on this forum have (as a backlash to earlier criticism of Voronin?) decided that it's "fashionable" to defend Voronin, when in reality he hasn't had a single good game for us this season.

That made me smile

The computer (or in fact, the results so far) says no.

Haha! Harsh but very much fair.

Nah. We lost, it was a freak goal but we didn't deserve anything anyway. Get over it and let's not embarrass ourselves as a club more than we did on the pitch today.

At the moment, I'd give my left testicle for the ability to draw.

Phew, for a second there I was really pissed off at the result and the performance, but this has made me feel a hell of a lot better!

1. Benayoun 2. Kuyt 3. Reina None of them deserve a vote, but they were probably the least worst.

7 points behind the leaders in October is probably too much, no matter how you look at it. If I were clutching for straws, I'd say beat Man Utd on Sunday and we're only 4 behind them and there's almost 30 games left to play. But I think I'll rather jump just to end the speculation if nothing else.

So far our record this season reads as follows: Won: Stoke at home Bolton away Burnley at home Debrecen at home (CL) West Ham away Leeds away (CC) Hull at home Lost: Spurs away Villa at home Fiorentina away (CL) Chelsea away Sunderland away In other words we've beaten the dross and lost to any half decent team. I repeat, we've lost each and every time this season when we've faced a team that isn't expected to fight relegation (and Debrecen, who fall into the same category). I'm afraid I'll need more than a bit of positive spin to still believe that this will turn into a good season. f*** me, I never expected us to be this bad even after the massively disappointing summer. Anyone want to try and do a "Phil Brown" and talk me down from this bridge?