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Just reading about the outbreaks of measles and mumps in the UK. Now have folks coming into the US with cases of the same after visiting Europe. What's going on with you lot over there? Is Wakefield really that well regarded over there so that no one is vaccinated any more? Are all of you vaccinating your kids or not?

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The issue was for about 5 years from 1999/2000 the scare story was out there so people didn't. Now these kids are teenagers/still in school and the "herd immunisation" approach is gone and it goes around quickly. I seem to recall Wakefield's risks were something like 1:100,000 (which was/is the same for measles jab alone)

 

I blame the welsh

 

CrazyHorse: I looked at Chicken Pox jab - and was told the NHS has done a cost benefit on this and concluded that the cost of mass immunization outweigh the costs of visits to the doctor and/or the rare complications. So the pox is not a jab we get - although it is available privately. There's only one other jab that they do int he US as a matter of course but which was not (at least in 2006) a standard jab in the UK. That changed late in 2006 so the only difference now, I understand, is chicken pox - and the MMR choice people make/made

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Wakefield's data has since been discredited. Among other things, he had a vested financial interest in a measles jab he was marketing as an alternative to MMR. In addition he followed some distinctly non-scientific practices when conducting his study.

 

Chicken pox is no longer widespread in kids here and in adults can have serious consequences (pneumonia). I for one have never had it and as you well know, since vaccination is not 100% effective, herd immunity is crucial. Diseases like rubella can have serious consequences in pregnant women. Even measles can have low incidence of pneumonia and meningitis.

 

We are now seeing the same problem with whooping cough, diseases once on the verge of eradication making a roaring comeback because of Wakefield' data which no one has been able to replicate. Whooping cough as you know is spread often by unvaccinated adults and can kill newborns.

 

Sure you cannot force people to vaccinate but when you chose not to vaccinate, you are putting others at risk, even those who do vaccinate. Here many pediatricians now do not take kids who will not follow the vaccination schedule. Same goes for some schools as well

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The MMR scare was at its peak right about the time my first child was supposed to be having it, we opted to pay for the single vaccinations. We were new parents with our first child, we really didn't know what to believe, we just didn't want to put her at risk. Skipping the vaccinations altogether was never an option though.

Years later and a lot more wiser our second child had the MMR.

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The MMR scare was at its peak right about the time my first child was supposed to be having it, we opted to pay for the single vaccinations. We were new parents with our first child, we really didn't know what to believe, we just didn't want to put her at risk. Skipping the vaccinations altogether was never an option though.

Years later and a lot more wiser our second child had the MMR.

 

My eldest was born right at the peak of it all as were a few friends too, some of them paid a lot of money having single shot vaccinations. We went with MMR, there was too much evidence not too IMO. There was plenty of people who made a lot of money out of the whole saga which was as big a scandal as Wakefields 'research' to my mind.

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A number of studies have come out of Japan showing that despite a significant drop in MMR coverage, autism rates have continued to rise. And now they have large outbreaks of measles, rubella etc as well.

 

It amazes me that folks are more likely to listen to B movie actress Jenny McCarthy than their own doctor.

 

And now polio vaccination workers we being killed in Pakistan.

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I was talking to a child psychologist last week, who specialises in developmental disorders, and he said that the Spanish media didn't give much attention to the MMR story at all when it was big news in the UK.

 

Stan had his three-year jab the other week, and no one we know has ever raised any doubts about their kids having it.. Had to pay for the chicken pox one ourselves though..

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I was talking to a child psychologist last week, who specialises in developmental disorders, and he said that the Spanish media didn't give much attention to the MMR story at all when it was big news in the UK.

 

Stan had his three-year jab the other week, and no one we know has ever raised any doubts about their kids having it.. Had to pay for the chicken pox one ourselves though..

 

Thinking about getting the chicken pox for our youngest this summer. Costs about £100 but it's such a horrible thing for a kid to have to go through it may well be worth it.

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Thinking about getting the chicken pox for our youngest this summer. Costs about £100 but it's such a horrible thing for a kid to have to go through it may well be worth it.

 

That was basically our thinking. He had it the same day as the MMR and didn't have any adverse reaction in terms of fever etc.

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Thinking about getting the chicken pox for our youngest this summer. Costs about £100 but it's such a horrible thing for a kid to have to go through it may well be worth it.

 

My son had chicken pox earlier this year.

Wasn't that big a deal really.

 

(To be fair, I didn't know the vaccine existed. I suppose if I could go back in time and pay a ton to prevent him being ill for those few days then I would.)

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My son had chicken pox earlier this year.

Wasn't that big a deal really.

 

(To be fair, I didn't know the vaccine existed. I suppose if I could go back in time and pay a ton to prevent him being ill for those few days then I would.)

 

hehe I like the edit. I'm not the kind of person who would've called you a bad parent for not spending a £100 to stop your kid being sick.

 

I guess it's really hit and miss how bad the kid gets it. Our eldest was pretty unpleasant - still has a small scar on her face from it 3 years later.

 

A few of us got chicken pox intentionally when we were kids

 

Fairly common that wasn't it? Better to get it whilst young than later on in life.

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A few of us got chicken pox intentionally when we were kids

 

we used to get sent round whoever had its house until you got it yourself, everyones Mum seemed to do the same, it was 2 weeks off school and I don't recall being that ill that I was narked about it.

 

Saying that my Mrs got it when our eldest got it and she was really ill for 3 weeks, the mother in law forgot that she had never contracted it when she was a kid.

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She claimed what!!!

 

 

Is Jenny McCarthy's ascent to The View, ABC's mid-morning chat show, a threat to America's children?

 

That's the snap reaction to the network’s announcement Monday that McCarthy will replace Elisabeth Hasselbeck, off to Fox. McCarthy [no relation] is possibly the world's best-known proponent of the idea that childhood vaccinations can cause autism. The idea is unsupported by scientific evidence, denounced by the entire medical world and ascribing to it could be deadly. So why give McCarthy a network platform from which to espouse her quackery?

 

ABC should be ashamed, Michael Specter writes in the New Yorker:

 

McCarthy has spent much of the past ten years campaigning against vaccines – which, it must be said, are the most effective instruments of public health in human history, aside from clean water … By preaching her message of scientific illiteracy from one end of this country to the other, she has helped make it possible for people to turn away from rational thought. And that is deadly.

 

McCarthy's son, born in 2002, suffers or suffered from a condition diagnosed as autism, but that diagnosis has been called into question by no less an authority than the American Academy of Neurology, which has also decried McCarthy's hostilely anti-factual assertion that her son's "autism" was successfully "treated" by alternative measures including a gluten-free diet.

 

"Dear ABC: putting Jenny McCarthy on The View will kill children," is Salon's headline for Alex Pareene's prickly take. Pareene's real beef is not with J-Mac but with the "infuriating" – the word pops out twice – tendency on the part of the media to treat the vaccination-autism connection as debatable. It's not; vaccinations don't cause autism. Pareene concludes with a choice aperçu:

 

While this hire is a travesty, it is fitting, at least, that Barbara Walters is managing to cram one last crime against journalism into her career before she retires.

 

There’s plenty more where that came from. So how dangerous is Jenny McCarthy?

 

There’s an argument to be made that a good way to expose the plain wrongness of McCarthy’s dangerous beliefs to the audience that most needs to hear it is to televise her on weekday mornings arguing about it with Whoopi Goldberg and, yes, Barbara Walters. The View could in fact shine a much-needed corrective light on the ignorance that McCarthy has otherwise been able to peddle unrebutted in a book and in appearances on less combative TV shows.

 

The View comes in for a lot of flak among people who don’t watch it for being lightweight or cloying. But it can be much more than that. It’s a "high-risk" place to display stupidity, because the “sharp-tongued” co-hosts will cut you, as Mitt Romney had the good sense to realize (if he demonstrated less wit in not keeping the assessment to himself).

 

The View is the top-rated network talk show (as opposed to a syndicated talk show). An appearance by President Obama in 2010 captured 6.6m viewers, and a return spot in 2012 lured in 4.7m. If McCarthy is allowed to go on The View and peddle snake oil, it could hurt a lot of people.

 

If, however, McCarthy’s moving future descriptions of her son’s condition and her family’s struggle on The View become attempts on her part to spread flimflammery, there’s a good chance she’ll find herself alone on one side of an argument that she loses, badly.

 

The scene could make for a headline or a YouTube clip that would be the best debunking yet of McCarthy’s bosh. And that could help set viewers straight.

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Just reading about the outbreaks of measles and mumps in the UK. Now have folks coming into the US with cases of the same after visiting Europe. What's going on with you lot over there? Is Wakefield really that well regarded over there so that no one is vaccinated any more? Are all of you vaccinating your kids or not?

 

if there's a vaccination against becoming a pro-american wannabe then put me down for a full dose

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