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I know but they start chanting Souness' name when they win, then they lose to Wigan in the cup and he's s*** again.

Good footballer though, and he's not on the same bellend scale as Lampard, Drogba or Gudjohnsson.

Would love to get Gallas but there's no way Chelsea would sell to us. I'm sure Rafa will find someone as good.

It would be very funny if they didn't get into Europe and had to start selling. Their fans would start demanding Souness out and sack Shepherd. It could be almost as funny as Leeds and provide a welcome distraction to laughing at Everton.

We know what we sold him to madrid for and the release clause is rumoured to be not fat off that. So it would be perfectly reasonable for us to make an offer of 12.5 million or whatever and trigger the clause. Not that I think its likely, but if we did go in with a bid it would be around that level anyway so we don't need any inside info.

Thats what agents are for isn't it. I don't think Owen will come here simply because I think Rafa has bigger priorities, will get better value elsewhere and he's waved goodbye to us twice now already. BUT, most of us were surprised when he left for madreid and then doubly surprised when he went up there to that two-bit club. There's no telling what can happen.

Brilliant management. Resting Gerrard for Man U where he is the key player. Pongolle will surprise Betis because they won't have prepared for him. Josemi has impressed in his last few run outs for 1st team and reserves. Plenty on the bench to change things/apply pressure 2nd half.

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Hamman was poor against CSKA Sofia, but this kind of game, against stronger opposition we tend to see Didi come into his own.

Would like to see Pongolle play, he needs more than 6 minutes at the end of a game.

agree with that, and if i'm honest I don't think its worth worrying over. Benitez won't allow any deal for Owen blow all his funds for his other targets. While some on this board are going ape, i'm just slightly irritated by the way Madrid seem to be playing us.

Villa knew Milan Baros wanted to play for them and so were able to offer less than Lyon. Its simmilar in the situation with Michael Owen/Madrid/Newcastle. He wants to play for us so we should negotiate hard. One thing is for sure...the price will be somewhere between £10 and £15 million

As a point of negotiation with Madrid I think Parry and co will be talking about the figure Madrid paid last year and offering a simmilar amount. OK maybe we should pay a bit more because he's developed a little as a player, but not 5 or 7 million pounds more. If he doesn't want to go to Newcastle then we, and Owen, are in the box seats and it should be just as it was last summer when he would only go to Madrid.

"It appears Real owe us £4M, this figure has been used. If this is true we could offer, say £6M now and £5M next season, this and the £4M they owe us????." Thats a s*** deal for us Dave ! Effectively paying Madrid about £7 million net to have Owen for one season.

Useless

Ujanicka b******ov has a little something extra about him

The word over in French France is that Rafa is going to cut short the loan agreement. Marseille aren't keen to hang on to him. Maybe Rafa can bring the best out of Bruno.

its not a rumour

My thoughts exactly. Welsh and Potter don't have enough experience and Biscan has hardly played. Hamman and Gerrard gives us hardly any options and limits our tactics. OK, Xabi will be back in a month or two but there's a lot of games to play and we could do with another experienced player in the middle.

where is the original Bigley/Spectator thread ?

Thanks stevie, i've used that to contact my local, Tory MP Dear Mr Graham Brady, I write to draw your attention to the hurtful comments about the people of Liverpool made by the editorial team at the Spectator. The Editor, Mr Boris Johnson, is sure to be an embarrassment to you and other decent members of your party. I wonder how you all feel when the man gets up to speak or is featured on television as a 'village idiot' character. Do you despair at how badly out of touch he will make the Conservative party seem to the majority of voters ? I have sent the following letter to Mr Johnson and copied it to Michael Howard as he is a self-professed Liverpool supporter. I urge you to speak to the man and ask for an apology and, more importantly that he educates himself about the facts of the Hillsborough disaster and also the genuine good character of the people of Liverpool. I'm sure you will agree that the people of this country deserve to be treated with respect especially by our elected representatives in parliament. What are voters to think when one of our MPs puts his name to a vicious smear against a whole city of people ?

I can see you were probably a floating voter for the next election Cobs. This incident has probably made the Tory vote a less attractive option for you. I dread the elections....who on earth can we vote for nowadays. Green ?

copy your emails to howardm@parliament.uk as a Liverpool fan, it will be interesting to see if he makes any comment.

I write to you because I am deeply offended by remarks made in your Spectator article, 'Bigley's fate'. On the 15th April 1989 I was a 16 year old boy at a football match at Hillsborough between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. The tragedy of that day scarred me and many other people deeply. On that day there were no 'drunken fans who tried to mindlessly fight their way into the ground' as you claim, and that was certainly not mentioned as a cause in Lord Justice Taylor's report on the tragedy. Perhaps you are suggesting that Lord Justice Taylor thought it would be easier to blame the police than a lot of 'mindless drunken fans'. Had you bothered to consult the report or seek the testimony of anyone who had been present on that day you would know that drunkeness played no part in the deaths of those 96 supporters, many of whom were children. The inadequate features of the stadium and incompetent policing were the reasons for the deaths of those people and for the ongoing pain of the survivors and families of the dead. I realise that little of what I say on this matter will get through to you and make any impression on your prejudiced view of people in Liverpool and so I will copy this email to the leader of your party and ask that he seeks a public apology and retraction from you. Michael Howard is, after all, a Liverpool supporter himself and may be interested to know why you have chosen to smear the population of one of the countries most great cities. I await your response, Graham Jones