I think us on here are entitled to think of him as the most successful in England : Honours: First Division champions 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1983 League cup winners 1981, 1982, 1983 European cup winners 1977, 1978, 1981 UEFA cup winners 1976 We probably grapple with whether he was better than Shankly ourselves. The fact that you want to put your two up there is perfectly understandable, and Forest will always argue that Clough was, but it's not an argument that I'm going to get into. PS : For the ManU fans, the First Division was the top division before 1993 ;-)