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Aye. It's a bit of a strange argument to say that that is a pen. It's not like he gets a toe on the ball doing a kung fu flying kick like Dirk Kuyt gloriously tried to do in that derby. It was just a standard tackle executed by a bit of a divvy. Now to be fair, I do often argue that pens should be given if you're stupid. Like that one when Vidic slid in on Sturridge at OT. Didnt get him but pen anyway for stupidity. But I don't think this one is in that envelope.

It's not there in the law. It's clearly not a binary decision. As I said, I disagree with you and I think there's sufficient stuff around to say that at very worst, we're unlucky to have that given against us. I've not seen the Albrighton thing back on TV, only saw it in the ground and it looked like he hadnt played the ball. If he had then sound, it's the same conversation about recklessness. But the laws are applied differently for keepers.

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I don't agree with you. This isnt a factual conversation. The only facts are that Mingolet touched the ball. And that there was a collision between 2 players. You arent disputing either of those things. Convention says that this isnt a foul. They just are very rarely given and almost never when it is done by a goalkeeper. You could try to argue that it's a red card as it is dangerous if you wanted. I wouldnt argue it and I wouldnt agree with you if you did. If you're arguing that it is careless or reckless, then it is subjective and all the precedent would say it is a stretch. I wouldnt be fuming if we didnt get a pen for that, which is a pretty good test. I'd want one. But I know you just don't get them for that.

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Yeah. As long as you're not reckless or dangerous, you're sound.

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Yeah, he should be better on both goals and for the pen. But the 1st still shouldn't have stood and the pen should never have been given. And I think if both those decisions are made correctly, nobody is talking about it.

The derby was because it was all merseyside. Apparently he did Stoke too, Dunno if Stoke is his patch too.

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If you play the ball in making a tackle and arent reckless/dangerous, then its not a foul. The instance you are describing implies a second action. Win the ball, then a second action to pull them down. It clearly wasnt that. If he's given the pen for the tackle being a bit of a hack then its legitimate but I'd argue it wasnt and it is really really unusual to give it for that, particularly for a keeper. Yeah it was boss. I hope it has rendered Vardy impotent through sadness too.

Deano reffed the derby at Goodison. Did he ref us 1 more time after that last season? Part of me thinks he did. Might be wrong though In general I agree with you though. Taylor shouldnt be reffing us as when he is as s***e as that, he's going to get accused of bias.

I've seen it on the TV since, but in the ground it's clearly never a pen. I know I'm biased but I was stunned when I saw him giving a pen. I was at the other end of the ground and the ball changes direction. It's pretty clear. So whether he could have done it differently, or should it's kind of irrelevant. The ref should ref the game properly Enjoyed the win though. The raspbellinis were defo luckier than the standard ones.

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Mingolet did LOL!

Claridge scored against us. And Graeme Fenton And some fella called Phil Gilchrist.

Did Gaz Parker bag against us? I know he did, but can't remember whether it was for Villa or Leicester. Hated him.

I remember having this conversation re the Ngog one. It's basically the office black man's c**k gag scene isnt it?