Question for Muslim forumites

[New York Red]

I'm sure you've seen the news from Iraq today. I have to ask you this. Was blowing up this Shi'a shrine today in Iraq a worse crime against Islam than the cartoons? Is it more serious for the Shi'as or not serious at all for Sunnis?

[Stevie H]

shouldn't this be a poll?

[Dee]

I thought this was going to be something about the 1000 yr old Buddhist statues in Bamiyan which in itself was an act of atrocity

[New York Red]

Actually I just wanted to know if and why it was a more serious atrocity. I'm not a Muslim, so I have no clue. But, on the face of it, it looks to be far worse to me. I was hoping for someone to fill me in on why I might be wrong.

 

BTW Dee, that Bamiyan event was terrible. A crime against humanity really.

[Des]

I'm sure you've seen the news from Iraq today. I have to ask you this. Was blowing up this Shi'a shrine today in Iraq a worse crime against Islam than the cartoons? Is it more serious for the Shi'as or not serious at all for Sunnis?

 

Sunni and Shia.

 

[Awrence]

Actually I just wanted to know if and why it was a more serious atrocity. I'm not a Muslim, so I have no clue. But, on the face of it, it looks to be far worse to me. I was hoping for someone to fill me in on why I might be wrong.

 

BTW Dee, that Bamiyan event was terrible. A crime against humanity really.

 

I've read that Sunny shrines have been desecrated in revenge. It's consistent...I guess...

Edited February 22, 2006 by kaizza

[Guest Scot]

Sunni and Shia.

 

 

 

 

I can't believe I've not heard that before

[New York Red]

Just imagine what it would be like if these hard-line Israeli's blew up the Dome of the Rock.

[Guest Scot]

Just imagine what it would be like if these hard-line Israeli's blew up the Dome of the Rock.

 

He'd not be happy

 

[Falconhoof]

Interesting question this.

 

Be nice to get a reply from the forumites like Hassony who were very enlightening in the other thread about the cartoon.

[madaboutlfc]

as a muslim Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is someone who any muslim hold dear more than anything, so a shrine even though its disgusting is just not on the same level.. Its shameful and unislamic behaviour though

[Falconhoof]

as a muslim Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is someone who any muslim hold dear more than anything, so a shrine even though its disgusting is just not on the same level.. Its shameful and unislamic behaviour though

 

 

Are you speaking as a Muslim ?

 

The shrine was the resting place of 2 of the Immam's believed to be direct descendants of Mohammed. If thats not an insult to the prophet then I don't know what is. But again, it would be interesting to hear a Muslim opinion.

[Crazy Horse]

I've petrol bombed some places of worship in my time. It's a lot more fun than reading cartoons.

 

Does that answer your question?

[Bootser]

I've petrol bombed some places of worship in my time. It's a lot more fun than reading cartoons.

 

Does that answer your question?

 

Fukin Jaffa

[locutusofliverpool]

Are you speaking as a Muslim ?

 

The shrine was the resting place of 2 of the Immam's believed to be direct descendants of Mohammed. If thats not an insult to the prophet then I don't know what is. But again, it would be interesting to hear a Muslim opinion.

 

I think its the case that Muslims are not supposed to assign any sort of lofty status to the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and his family. So I suppose any sort of elaborate shrines would go aginst that principle. Still not at all justified of course

[fyds]

I had this image in my minds eye of perplexed soldiers and UN workers standing by watching this like the romans in 'Life of Brian' as the Jews attack each other at a stoning.

 

It does seem to have depressingly comic elements about it all - ' should we should unite against the common enemy' together: 'The People's Front of Judea! ' (exchange for Baghdad/Basra etc...)

[John am Rhein]

Just imagine what it would be like if these hard-line Israeli's blew up the Dome of the Rock.

 

Unleash hell!

[DanielS]

Unleash hell!

 

The buddhists should blow up the wailing wall and the dome of the rock...sort the whole thing out in one go.

[Hassony]

as a muslim Prophet Mohammed (SAW) is someone who any muslim hold dear more than anything, so a shrine even though its disgusting is just not on the same level.. Its shameful and unislamic behaviour though

that is rubbish, this crime is a millions times bigger than a simple cartoon

 

I think its the case that Muslims are not supposed to assign any sort of lofty status to the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and his family. So I suppose any sort of elaborate shrines would go aginst that principle. Still not at all justified of course

that is the rubbish sprouted by the wahabies.

[Leo No.8]

that is rubbish, this crime is a millions times bigger than a simple cartoon

that is the rubbish sprouted by the wahabies.

 

Violence like this has to be worse than a bloody cartoon, saying anything else would be insane!

 

Hassony has always struck me as giving a sensible representation of Islam - top man.

 

All you see in the media is the things that extremists get up to, and its nice to see what I'd say is a much more measured comment on here from him.

 

Edited February 23, 2006 by Leo No.8

[BigBird]

I've petrol bombed some places of worship in my time. It's a lot more fun than reading cartoons.

 

Does that answer your question?

 

The Danish editor who published that cartoon insulting Islam hopes his latest book doesn?t cause further offence.

 

It?s called: Buddha is a big fat c***.

[StuGib]

I think its the case that Muslims are not supposed to assign any sort of lofty status to the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) and his family.

See that's where I start to get confused. Isn't the whole reflex response of having to postfix his name with 'pbuh'/'SAW' both verbally and even in forum message boards(!), and protesting against or threatening anyone who draws a likeness of him or insults him or disagrees with his teachings a form of idolatry?

[Hassony]

Violence like this has to be worse than a bloody cartoon, saying anything else would be insane!

 

Hassony has always struck me as giving a sensible representation of Islam - top man.

 

All you see in the media is the things that extremists get up to, and its nice to see what I'd say is a much more measured comment on here from him.

 

[DanielS]

Violence like this has to be worse than a bloody cartoon, saying anything else would be insane!

 

Hassony has always struck me as giving a sensible representation of Islam - top man.

 

All you see in the media is the things that extremists get up to, and its nice to see what I'd say is a much more measured comment on here from him.

 

 

Unless you are a Wahabi...

[John am Rhein]

Serious question:

 

does pilgrimage to Mecca carry the same importance for Shi'ites as it does for Sunnis?