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£42 billion with a contingency of £14 billion.

 

Not sure id get far in work asking for 33% contingencies on projects.

 

Are there any people who don't see this as a colossal waste of money that will just see more people commuting into London to work?

 

I wouldnt say its a waste of money but there are better infrastructure projects that would get more value for the economy. A mersey tram metro service for example, and other schemes up and down the country would probably achieve greater benefits.

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I wouldnt say its a waste of money but there are better infrastructure projects that would get more value for the economy. A mersey tram metro service for example, and other schemes up and down the country would probably achieve greater benefits.

 

Absolutely. But I would say that it is a waste of money.

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I wouldnt say its a waste of money but there are better infrastructure projects that would get more value for the economy.

 

This is you saying its a waste of money.wink.gif

 

I cant get my head round how those supporting it claim its going to get haulage off the roads.

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This is you saying its a waste of money.wink.gif

 

I cant get my head round how those supporting it claim its going to get haulage off the roads.

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I'm saying there will be benefits, but there could be bigger benefits from spending that money on other projects.

 

Knox is right about the South East bias. The trouble is that almost everyone with any clout or any real say in these things has a vested interest in the capital city.

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It's a ridiculous plan - given that it will undoubtedly run way over budget/contingency and take forever to build (if it ever gets completed) ... and then deliver far less than the KPMG reports originally forecast.

 

Apart from that, it's genius ... after all, the country is awash with cash and a shortage of infrastructure requirements on which to spend it.

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South west?

Sorry. Doing a billion things at once.

 

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I'm saying there will be benefits, but there could be bigger benefits from spending that money on other projects.

 

Knox is right about the South East bias. The trouble is that almost everyone with any clout or any real say in these things has a vested interest in the capital city.

I'm semi serious when I say they should just move Parliament to Doncaster.

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And The City/Canary Wharf to Hull.

 

It'd sort out the ridiculous (and growing) north/south discrepancy in property prices.

Yep. It is a discrepancy which is damaging for quality of life in both areas and is damaging for any government (e.g. Housing Benefit levels).

 

No one wants to get hold of it.

 

I cite Parliament because it is something MPs can do themselves relatively quickly if they are concerned about the issue.

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Liverpool's economy will be stronger if new high-speed rail lines are built, a Government minister has said.

 

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin made the claim as he attempted to justify controversial plans to spend at least £42.6bn on the High Speed Two (HS2) project.

 

HS2 will see 250mph train tracks built between London, Birmingham, Leeds and Manchester in a Y-shaped network.

 

The case for HS2 was boosted after accountancy firm KPMG published a report showing Britain’s economy would be £15bn a year better off with high-speed trains.

 

Mr McLoughlin said: “It (the KPMG report) addresses that vital question: will HS2 create jobs and growth in the North and Midlands, where they are needed most? The answer is absolutely clear. Yes.

 

“High Speed Two will make Liverpool stronger. Manchester stronger. Leeds stronger. Britain stronger. A £15bn annual boost to the economy, with the North and Midlands gaining at least double the benefit of the South.”

 

The Transport Secretary’s speech forms part of a campaign announced by Prime Minister David Cameron to make the case for HS2 in the face of what he called an “unholy alliance” of sceptics.

 

Recent critics have included Labour’s Alistair Darling, who first approved when he was Chancellor, the Institute of Directors, which dismissed HS2 as “a grand folly”, and the House of Commons spending watchdog, which said the arguments for the project were based on “fragile numbers, out-of-date data and assumptions which do not reflect real life”.

 

HS2 is also fiercely opposed by some Tory MPs, many representing communities which will be disrupted by construction work and train noise along the route.

 

But Mr McLoughlin said the UK’s transport network would become “clogged” without the new lines.

 

He said: “The reason we need HS2 isn’t for its speed, though speed is obviously a benefit. HS2 will allow you to get from Birmingham to Leeds in 57 minutes and from Manchester to London in 68.

 

“The benefits of faster journeys are easy to explain. But speed is not the main reason for building the new railway. The main reason we need HS2 is as a heart bypass for the clogged arteries of our transport system.”

 

Critics have dismissed the HS2 project, claiming it will be too expensive, blight the countryside and suck jobs and investment from the Midlands and North to London. There are also some who argue the HS2 funding would be better spent improving existing railways.

 

HS2 is supported by the Liverpool Chamber of Commerce and Merseytravel which has even suggested the high-speed line between Birmingham and Manchester should continue to Liverpool.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hs2-boost-liverpools-economy-says-5908841

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there is going to be a station on this HS2 to a place called Chilwell Sidings that will connect Nottingham onto the line, a 15 min journey from Nottingham station to get to it which will then mean a 1hr 20-30min journey into central London. Current journey time from Nottingham to St Pancras is 1hr 50mins.

 

This amazing improvement in commute time will take about 25 years to realise too at f*** knows how much cost.

 

edit: those journey times the minister quoted are not what was predicted when this was first confirmed.

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there is going to be a station on this HS2 to a place called Chilwell Sidings that will connect Nottingham onto the line, a 15 min journey from Nottingham station to get to it which will then mean a 1hr 20-30min journey into central London. Current journey time from Nottingham to St Pancras is 1hr 50mins.

 

This amazing improvement in commute time will take about 25 years to realise too at f*** knows how much cost.

 

 

So, dependent on arriving from Nottingham and waiting for the connecting train, it will probably take longer than it currently does?

 

BIG. WHITE. ELEPHANT.

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This amazing improvement in commute time will take about 25 years to realise too at f*** knows how much cost.

 

This is the main reason why it is a waste of money. Any improvement in traveling time will be negligible.

It takes 2 hours from liverpool to london. any improvement will shave about 20 mins off it.

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Sorry. Doing a billion things at once.

 

 

I'm semi serious when I say they should just move Parliament to Doncaster.

 

 

Parliament should have to move around the country like England did when New Wembley was being built. And PMQs should have to take place in assorted northern working mens' clubs and bingo halls on a regular basis.

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I cite Parliament because it is something MPs can do themselves relatively quickly if they are concerned about the issue.

And spend about £2bn on a new parliament and sw***y new offices. :)

 

Much as it goes against my instinct for railways and vainglorious infrastructure projects, I have to agree the all this cash for hs2 is a waste of time. They could give the entire country fibre optic broadband and cheap access to it and probably get 50x the economic result.

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