Misleading Headline

[sutty]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090503/tuk-c...er-6323e80.html

[Stevie H]

"getting the country to live within its means"? he's taking the piss right?

[R A Softlad]

He's taking something...

[fyds]

"getting the country to live within its means"? he's taking the piss right?

Indeed - this from an ex Etonian and Oxbridge old aristocracy type, who has always had more money and land than brain cells, while his long, thin, Wellingtonesque nose can only be used for inhaling the deep scent of privilege that surrounds him.

 

Reminds me of that old Ustinov story about his days at Westminster School in the 1930's, where the boys, with a depression ravaging the country, were asked by an English master pricked by social conscience to write an essay on what it is to be poor...one boy wrote 'We were the epitomy of poverty - one and all - Father was poor, Mother was poor - even the Butler was poor...'

[John am Rhein]

Tory b*stards!

[fyds]

Well, in a nutshell - yes

[Murphman]

This thread is funny.

[Woodsyla]

This thread is funny.

What's not funny though is how f***ed this country is going to be with that idiot at the helm. The jokers we have now are bad enough.

[fyds]

What's not funny though is how f***ed this country is going to be with that idiot at the helm. The jokers we have now are bad enough.

This could be the first time lots of people leave the country because the Tories get in.

[Murphman]

What's not funny though is how f***ed this country is going to be with that idiot at the helm. The jokers we have now are bad enough.

 

 

I don't think the state of this country is funny I think the posts are. Is this the first shot in the 'look at the state of the country now the f*cking Tories are in' battle. Or have Labour been in power for 11 years and have got us into this sorry mess?

 

Just making a point, as it goes I think we are royally f*cked whoever gets elected but you can't assume the Tories are that gifted they could make an even bigger balls up of this country's finances, that's taken real talent.

[Murphman]

This could be the first time lots of people leave the country because the Tories get in.

 

 

Good, get the unemployment figured down from 4M and create some space.

[Stevie H]

I don't think the state of this country is funny I think the posts are. Is this the first shot in the 'look at the state of the country now the f*cking Tories are in' battle. Or have Labour been in power for 11 years and have got us into this sorry mess?

 

Just making a point, as it goes I think we are royally f*cked whoever gets elected but you can't assume the Tories are that gifted they could make an even bigger balls up of this country's finances, that's taken real talent.

murph man, you have by now surely grasped that a) not really anyone, not even matty, on this board supports or defends new labour? and b) that new labour has nothing at all to do with the labour party and socialism in general?

 

criticism of the tories on here from lefties is not an endorsement of new labour. it's a recognition that a shift even further to the right can have no upsides.

[DanielS]

murph man, you have by now surely grasped that a) not really anyone, not even matty, on this board supports or defends new labour? and b) that new labour has nothing at all to do with the labour party and socialism in general?

 

criticism of the tories on here from lefties is not an endorsement of new labour. it's a recognition that a shift even further to the right can have no upsides.

 

Monbiot reckons that the current government is the most rightwing of any since the second world war - there isn't much room on the right left to occupy before you all start wearing matching shirts and doing funny walks. Don't you think that the tories would have to go back to the centre a little?

[Murphman]

murph man, you have by now surely grasped that a) not really anyone, not even matty, on this board supports or defends new labour? and b) that new labour has nothing at all to do with the labour party and socialism in general?

 

criticism of the tories on here from lefties is not an endorsement of new labour. it's a recognition that a shift even further to the right can have no upsides.

 

 

We just MIGHT get better financial management, in fact it wouldn't take too much. And as for supporting Labour it works across the booard that one, I think you'll find most people will vote Tory to get Labour out not through any great political agenda.

[Stevie H]

We just MIGHT get better financial management, in fact it wouldn't take too much. And as for supporting Labour it works across the booard that one, I think you'll find most people will vote Tory to get Labour out not through any great political agenda.

it won't be 'better' financial management though will it? admittedly i could hardly be worse than the present lot, but it will be more selective and will look after the tory party's own at least as much as new labour has looked after their own. buggered if i know what the alternative is though. spot of anarchy and a revolution wouldn't go amiss.

[Stevie H]

Monbiot reckons that the current government is the most rightwing of any since the second world war - there isn't much room on the right left to occupy before you all start wearing matching shirts and doing funny walks. Don't you think that the tories would have to go back to the centre a little?

i'd like to read that monbiot so will look it up. i think that the tories would talk about some slightly more centrist policies in the run up to the election to sway a few more floating voters just to make sure (not that they'll need it but it'd give them an even bigger majority) and then ignore them once they were in power. then in addition to reducing the 50% tax rate for top earners they'd go on an immigration crackdown and throw in a few more right wing policies as they go. more of the same with added nationalism.

[Des]

spot of anarchy and a revolution wouldn't go amiss.

 

 

Yeah alright, Swampy.

[DanielS]

i'd like to read that monbiot so will look it up. i think that the tories would talk about some slightly more centrist policies in the run up to the election to sway a few more floating voters just to make sure (not that they'll need it but it'd give them an even bigger majority) and then ignore them once they were in power. then in addition to reducing the 50% tax rate for top earners they'd go on an immigration crackdown and throw in a few more right wing policies as they go. more of the same with added nationalism.

 

Linkle

[Stevie H]

 

Yeah alright, Swampy.

i voted with my feet.

[Stevie H]

Linkle

good man, ta for that.

 

perfectly summed up by the way: "Above all, the Labour government has destroyed hope. It has put into practice Thatcher's dictum that "there is no alternative" to a market fundamentalism that subordinates human welfare to the demands of business. Labour has created a political monoculture that kills voters' enthusiasm, and has delayed electoral reforms that would have given smaller parties an opportunity to be heard. All we are left with is fear: the fear that this awful government might be replaced by something slightly worse. Fear has destroyed the Labour party, but people keep supporting it in trepidation of letting the other side win."

Edited May 6, 2009 by Stevie H

[D.Boon]

Brown needs some good advice. Everything he does at the moment makes him look like a clueless, gormless, grinning goon.

[stressederic]

Brown needs some good advice. Everything he does at the moment makes him look like a clueless, gormless, grinning goon.

 

That youtube clip he did the other day about MP's expenses was just creepy. He was grinning in all the wrong places. Seemed like somebody had told him to smile and he just did it on random words.

[Gilps]

That youtube clip he did the other day about MP's expenses was just creepy. He was grinning in all the wrong places. Seemed like somebody had told him to smile and he just did it on random words.

 

He's been doing that ever since he became PM

[DanielS]

A perfect example of being careful about what you wish for. I wonder if he wakes up in the middle of the night wondering why the hell he spent all of that time and energy on wanting the job so much in the first place.

[stressederic]

He's been doing that ever since he became PM

 

It's really unsettling. It's almost lizardman-in-a-human-suit-esque