JimmyF

I do mate, evidence was there today, a lot of fans dont spend hours on the net discussing these issues, they dont understand the finances of the matter and the enormously bad ramification it has on the club long term, infact I think alot of people would see the £350M loan and some type of windfall for the club

Some people view the future of the club as being quite important and should be able to express their anger at what is going during the match. Some other people have their head in the sands

See a few pretty pictures read a few one liners from a lying c*** and some people think everything is sweetness and light

Cowtownred on rawk just posted this: Well, I'm almost scared to say anything. But despite some unwarranted stick, anyone who bothers to look will see that what I've posted has been quite correct. As indeed have Raul and a few others. I continue to say the following... Nothing has changed. This deal was always going through, and there was always going to be an accompanying fanfare. What I didn't expect was the suicidal/infighting ideations this would arouse. If those who are interested look harder at the (scant) details, it is FAR more telling by what has NOT happened. Look at what has been said by Hicks (not his PR people... by himself). Gillet. Moores/Parry. Rafa. And most importantly of all, DIC. I won't do your research. YOU have a look at what has been written or said today, then come back and respond to my question. WHAT HAVE ANY OF THE PRINCIPLE PLAYERS ACTUALLY SAID TO MAKE YOU ALL SO f***ED OFF? I know a hell of a lot more today than I did yesterday, from people at the heart of what is being thrashed out. I'm not f***ing saying another word... though one or two know. And I'm not self-flagellating. There could be very different attitudes on here, sooner than anyone thinks.

Get your head out of your a*** mate, you are entitled to your views but most fans (see surveys, internet forums ..... etc) hate those 2 c**** and what is being portrayed in the Echo and other papers is fair kop - That is how most of the fans feel. Btw, I think I know why Coco never picks up hois phone, he might be a bit to busy defending his 2 yankee cohorts on ynwa

Bascombe on Sunday should be interesting

The deal, which is expected to be announced on Friday, underlines the pair's determination to remain at Anfield despite interest from Dubai International Capital (DIC), the investment arm of the Dubai government. Hicks will also feel he will be in a stronger position should he decide to sell in the future, dealing a blow to DIC's hopes of mounting a swift bid to take control of the club. But Bose said: "I'm told by my sources in Dubai that DIC is still very keen and has been selling assets to make sure it has the necessary money. "It was not keen on this re-financing because it feels it puts up the price of Liverpool. But DIC is still in the wings,and I wouldn't be surprised if something happens on that front, maybe not just now but in the next year or so." Some Liverpool fans want DIC to bid after Hicks and Gillett angered them by admitting they had sounded out Jurgen Klinsmann as a possible replacement for manager Rafael Benitez, with whom they had a high-profile row http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ool/7203724.stm

Agreed, I didnt hear the comments on R5, but that does strike me as odd

Mihir Bose this morning on R4 said DIC are not out of the picture and some lad on Rawk just heard him on R5 saying that DIC are actively selling assets in readiness to aquire the club .......... Some hope

How much came out of their pocket ???

NYR, you're thinking this might actually a better deal for DIC to come in for us?

Posted on rawk by a lad who seems to have some connections otherwise he's a total whopper Hate to repeat myself... the refinancing loan was agreed weeks ago, in principle. Only fine-tuning was needed. And to anyone who wonders the assets of Kop Football Inc (or whatever they call it) allowing a big unsecured personal loan... 3 words, George W Bush. I can, somewhat cheerily, report new facts received from my source today. Firstly... the fact that the Americans have had to (for the FIRST time) put up their own assets... is highly, highly significant. Other players are responsible for this, which marks a complete turnabout in their stance. This allows a bargaining with other interested parties Second, the deal will be fanfared tomorrow or Friday. Third, and most importantly, I am informed the placement of a new deal with the bankers makes the sale of the Club to a 3rd party a seriously more attractive proposition 9I don't understand these things... but my source most certainly does)

Whats also worth thinking about is that I dont believe Gillet has the liquid assets that he has apparently agreed to as per the finance, I wonder if this move is just a prelude for a sale b/c Gillet is taking a risk that I doubt he feels very comfortable especially with the way the global markets are looking

Tomorrow looks like to be the most depressing day I've known as a fans since the day Kenny resigned, that s*** for brains Hicks thinks tomorrow will be the day he appeases the fans, what a f***ing moron

Someone posted this on est From a financial reporter on 5Live: 'RBS can say no to a new finance package presented by G&H as RBS have good knowledge that DIC have enough money to takeover Liverpool and cover all its creditors and debts.' Interesting .......... Lets hope RBS and DIC are in bed together

The loan is bargainning chip for those 2 c****, if they have an agreement with the bank they can use it to get more money from DIC, if they sign it we are in troube. Bunch of in bred f***s

We also have to remember it was all over the press on Monday that DIC would walk away if d****ead & turdface went ahead with the refinance, if its in the press then surely RBS know that emphatically

It would open them up for more ridicule, 'stadium they cant afford'........'more lies' etc

Thanks Elisha, I think it was mentioned somewhere that Hicks stated it would be this week, I guess it would be irrelevent if these 2 c**** can't refinance the loan, I'm hoping the news in the telegraph was correct

Alan Green on 5 live said insiders he talked this evening have said jokingly i presume that they 'have to learn arabic'. Green's not the most trustworthy when it comes to stuff like this but atleast it was somewhat positve. |Lawro also believes its a matter of time

How DIC DIC DIC akin to that annoying USA chant that the yanks love, it will leave no dount in the mind of the arabs that they are wanted and to the yanks f*** off

Magnificent peice by Thompson in the Echo, not that I believe it will hit hom to those 2 heartless c**** Time to end this desperate crisis Jan 21 2008 by John Thompson, Liverpool Echo THE roar of the Kop has been heard all over Britain and Europe. Tonight, an attempt will be made to send it right across the Atlantic Ocean. Liverpool fans are in a state of fury and dismay, convinced their world famous club is enduring the biggest crisis in its modern history. And who can argue they are wrong? A marriage that everyone hoped was made in heaven has spiralled into a nightmare captured in barely believable headlines, one played out amid a climate of deep distrust. There is no doubt today that the majority of match-going supporters – surely still the most important people at any football club – believe the American dream is for them over and beyond repair. And tonight at the game against Aston Villa they are set to call on Tom Hicks and George Gillett to do the decent thing – and grant them and their club the quickie divorce that many now believe offers the most dignified, possibly the only honourable route out of here for all sides. Hicks and Gillett may see it differently and believe this fractured marriage can be repaired. Particularly if they really are intent on keeping the house. They own it – and this is up to them. They are hugely successful business partners who made a first class first impression when they bought Liverpool almost a year ago. They were appropriately welcomed with open arms by an Anfield faithful yearning for more success. But stadium delays and confusion, alleged personal rifts, claims of imminent broken promises which will load all their personal debt onto the club, and a series of unsightly public rows with a driven manager whom most supporters still love and believe in, have rocked Anfield to its core. This is not the Liverpool way. And for the sake of a club which someone outside Merseyside recently described as ‘a national treasure’, it just cannot go on like this any longer. Particularly when a rejected suitor is waiting on the sidelines with a genuine offer which Liverpool fans are praying Tom and George cannot and will not now refuse. An SOS sign was hung out on the Kop last week to Dubai International Capital. It will be there again tonight, but will not be walking alone in its display this time. Liverpool fans may know as little about the Dubaians as they did the Americans. But the sure truth is the Dubaians have never fallen out of love with the idea of owning Liverpool, even though the long – possibly overly long – initial engagement was broken off suddenly amid acrimony, as pre-wedding nerves on both sides became tested. Their interest in securing a deal at Anfield has never dwindled, not least because they are convinced the American re-financingŠnumbers simply do not crunch going forward and put Anfield in even more jeopardy, even more harm’s way. It is not just the supporters and other experienced experts who care about the club who believe there is a real risk of Liverpool emulating Leeds United – possibly worse. When there is, it seems, a genuine prospect of the Royal Bank of Scotland claiming default on the current mortgage and re-possessing the property, who can blame them? There is no doubt Liverpool fans are anxious to see the Dubaians allowed in to rescue their club from this situation. And if there is any doubt, the odds are it will vanish this evening with a clarion call to DIC spilling from the Kop. It no longer matters how Britain’s most successful football club got here. Right now it doesn’t matter who is to blame and how. All that matters is that a truly great European football club and its lost, bewildered and angry supporters, get out of here. And fast. Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are deeply committed family men who for all their wealth and hard-headed business brains surely understand that family ultimately comes first. Particularly when that family feel and culture is actually a crucial part of their business asset, as much as it is an emotional reality. The Kop is real currency – and losing it will cost in dollars, as well as in damaged eardrums. For that simple reason, the co-owners must today do what they know is right in their hearts as much as their heads for a club steeped in that family tradition. One in which Kopites here have invested their lives, not just their hard-earned money. If the Americans sincerely believe they can somehow get Liverpool out of this crisis and repair the damage then maybe, just maybe, they can risk taking that chance. But the supporters at Anfield, many genuinely sick to their stomachs with worry, may now never be convinced, so serious is the collateral damage and loss of trust all round. If Hicks and Gillett deep down accept that it just hasn’t worked out and that no amount of counselling can help, it is to be hoped they, or one of them, will sell their share to the Dubaians and walk away with no hard feelings either way. Liverpool’s first business love is today waiting in the wings. She won’t go away and it’s clear the majority of the fans don’t want her to – though if there is to be a second marriage it might be worth hiring a Philadelphia lawyer to draw up the pre-nuptial contract. But that, if ever, is for another day. Liverpool Football Club and it’s wonderful, devoted supporters have suffered enough. However it happens, every fair-minded and honourable man will surely agree it is high-time this desperate crisis was swiftly brought to a dignified end.

Some lads on rawk are claiming Foster has cleared out his desk at Melwood, he's gone. How they could know that God knows

Ray of hope: However, DIC have been alerted to the possibility that Hicks and Gillett may instead prefer to sell the club rather than refinance. BBC sports editor Mihir Bose told BBC Radio Five Live: "Tom Hicks is right to say he hasn't rejected an offer from DIC because I am told they haven't made one yet. "However, I understand that DIC are prepared to pay about £400m for Liverpool." Reports in Liverpool on Sunday suggested that the club had already been sold to DIC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ool/7199247.stm

Taken from Raotl and Rawk, dont know about the credibility of the poster but heres hoping """"Everything ive said on this in the past few weeks are true, not arsed but if people want to check my posts they can. The person who i talk to, is the very same person, that BBC and others have spoken to. These are the facts, Hicks alone was going to sell his stake in the club to DIC. Gillet would then have been left with about 41% of the club, and DIC with the rest. The reason this has changed, and quite rightly, is that any future investmant in the club, either on the pitch or off it, would have been along those figures. So if we had 100 million to spend next summer, 41 million would come from Gillet. He has realised he carnt really do that, so reluctantly has agrred to sell his shares as well. At a match before christmas, i dont know what one, a relative of Hicks had an outburst in the directors lounge and said they wanted rid of Liverpool fc as soon a spossible, that is a fact. So at the moment DIC are in talks to buy the club, lock stock and barrell. Thats the good news, the bad news is that all this talk in the papers of 500 million is ******** , they will not buy it for a penny over, of what they think its worth, which is more or less the same as what they valued it at last summer. So negotiations are going on right now. The other good news is that one of the reasons they have said they will buy it at there price and no more is because they want to invest heavilly in the club. I understand that if they buy the club, Rafa will defintly stay next season, if they dont buy it, he will defintly go.FACT However im told he is very confident that he will be here, which means he probaly knows more about it, and is confident we will have new owners. I will say this now - If it wasnt for the fans/RTK/, WHOEVER - Rafa would be gone now, to the Americans, whatever they say in public, we are a pain in the a*** to them, and they know its hard to make a decision we dont support, they didnt expect that, and its been a massive factor in them deciding to defintly get rid, so well done boys and girls, we have a long way to go, but things are looking better than a week ago."""""