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How many goals had Juve conceeded in the CL when they came to Anfield? We made them look like mugs. There's no certainty we'll win, but then again theres no certainty we'll struggle to break them down.

I think we were linked with him last summer, Sky sports reported we had bid 10m euros for him... ..so probably means we werent interested at all

My point however is that just because someone says Kewell was s**** tonight doesn't mean they've lost perspective of his performances in recent weeks. Posts like "sell Garcia" obviously are different and those people will end up in an assylum sooner or later.

Because the manager's job is also to get the best out of the players he chooses to do the job. Looking at the team selection at the start Rafa clearly wanted more after choosing two wingers and two strikers in a straight 442. But we were so devoid of creativity and put in a horribly sterile performance. The players didn't deliver and the manager wasn't able to get anything more out of them. It's a two way thing and no one is suggesting one man is totally at fault for the loss, not Kewell, not Garcia, not Rafa. We win as a team and lose as a team.

Just seen highlights of their game. Arsenal started really well, could've been 3 or 4 up in 20mins. Madrid's defence is comical though, the midfield basically let anyone run at their back 4 at will and just sit around and wait for Gravesen or Guti to get the move rolling. They've been good in Spain recently but were absolutely s**** tonight. Passes going astray all over the place and very little tempo to their game.

I suppose it's down to what you expect. When we go to Turin and put in a sterling defensive performance after playing a new formation and system while missing key players and qualify for teh CL Semis - I will hail him as a genius and probably rightly so. I think equally, when we go away and play like we did tonight that I'm within my rights to discuss if the manager made a mistake or not during the game. I'm not saying I could do a better job or he doesn't know what he's doing but mistakes are part and parcel of the game and most post-match discussion is often based around perceived errors. Would be bloody boring if we only talked about the good things.

Some do, most don't. If you dont like to dissect every minute of the game apart then that's fine, but some do and I think its hardly fair for someone to stay PLayer X was s*** tonight and then be sarcastically told how well we're doing in the league, cup etc. People react differently to games and have different opinions, it's what makes football great.

So I take it no one in the Ataturk that night at half time was talking about how w*** we were in defence, how Kaka had ripped through our midfield, how Gerrard/Xabi barely touched the ball etc. Everyone was in perfect harmony for the 15 minutes, no one was talking about how Rafa may have got the formation wrong or how s*** individual players had been. YNWA was belted out for 15 minutes flat. Hate it when people get gunned down for being critical. Fine, the insane ones who go OTT is one thing but there's nothing wrong in daring to be critical of the team when we lose. Yes, I still expect us to go through in 2 weeks time but that doesnt mean I shouldnt comment on the game tonight. Football would be f***ing boring if we just took victories and defeats on the chin every week and never talked about them.

On the plus side we'll t*** them at home.

Wonderful thing isn't it? Doesnt mean we cant use it though. We lost 1-0 and barely even created a shot on goal, Rafa is hardly going to be hailed a tactical genius because of this is he (Turin away etc. yes, but not tonight because we lost and lost with a sterile performance)? Everyone takes a share of the blame, no one is suggesting we sack him or anything ffs. It was a bad day at the office, nothing more, nothing less but that doesnt mean we cant discuss it or even, heaven forbid, suggest the manager may have got it wrong.

But if we play an injured central midfielder, a slow striker and another striker who can't control the ball plus the two aforementioned slow wide players, we'd do any differently? Tonight was a bad day at the office.

It worked between from about March last year to the middle of January this year, hardly failed us completely has it? TO say we cant defend set pieces is b******s we can but we are making individual errors (Sami again this time I think unfortunately) that we weren't 3 months ago. We'll need an early goal in the return leg and an atmosphere to boot. Given ourself un-necesarry work in the 2nd leg but we're capable of going through still.

Nah, Babbel was fantastic in 2001. He has the edge with his attacking play for me

Team sheet up on the offal now, I called it bang on. Attacking line up indeed

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Why is it a sunday in the first place? Couldve shown it at 5.45 on the saturday

God I hope not Reina Finnan Carra Sami Riise Garcia Xabi Momo Kewell Moro Fowler Or maybe Cisse, Didi and Crouch for Garcia, Xabi and Moro. Possibilities

Home and away fans in the same stand have to be charged the same price. Assuming it'll be 25

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What with chelsea playing tommorow night and Gerrard on the bench (because he's obviously had a row with Benitez for not bringing enough world class or scouse players to Liverpool) tonight, I think it's becoming clear to all that he's off in the summer.

Just put it on and heard ring of fire

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Rafa said there were no real injury problems after the mancs game, only the usual tiredness but we can't do anything about it. Cant remember what paper it was in, one of the broadsheets though. Means little though I guess, Gerrard could still be rested.

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