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Where did Huyton_Sissoko's post go? But I don't feel particularly hated for being Danish, I must say. I love being on this forum even if I don't post that much (after the forum crash my post count got severely reduced though ), but I'm a bit dejected with all the 'idiot, 'c***, 'muppet' name-calling words aimed at me. I expected more from fellow Liverpool fans, even if they don't share my opinion. I guess we're all equal. Some more than others though. I'll continue to participate unless RP bans me ^o)

That we certainly can agree on. I won't explain myself any more, as different opinions won't change in a jiffy, that's for sure. But my support for my team can not be questioned wether you agree on booing or not. I support my team 100 per cent, end of.

Maybe. If so, I'm sorry. Not intentional. No, it is not true. There you have it Constructively? You gotta be kiddin' me. Half the users of this board slag off players called them schite and stuff to that effect. That's hardly constructive, ey? We influence on the pitch, I agree. I've seen my local team being booed off to half time and they'd come back out and actually fight their arses off! I'd link to think they did that because of our dissatisfaction. I don't know if Liverpool players react differently as I have never booed at Liverpool. Regarding getting a ticket as an OOT/OOC'er I'm actually a bit undecided. Not because of booing but because locals should support their local team. My local team isn't anywhere near as popular as Liverpool and it will never be because of the Club's size and reputation worldwide. But I reckon you don't share my opinion because you generally don't see players only playing for money and not pride. My local team got relegated because of mercenaries. You'll probably still claim that you'd never boo but that's how we react in Denmark when players can't be arsed with anything else but their salary! And once again I'd like to state that the booing is only when the players can't be bothered with it all. Like Huyton_Sissoko also states.

Andy, do you support Liverpool or the players playing for Liverpool? I personally support Liverpool. When the players seem not to be arsed then they should hear for it. They then let the Club down, which is not okay! When you slag off Parry, is it because what? I for one thinks he does his best in the interests of Liverpool FC. I take it you think I booed Saturday? I didn't, but I certainly didn't cheer as there was nothing to cheer about at half time. When I say the players can't be arsed then I judge on how they fight their way out of trouble in a game where things are not going their way. You take Crouch as an example, so I'll stick to him: On Saturday he put in one sliding tackle after losing possesion. At that time I thought 'fair play to Crouch, he at least fights', but he didn't fight afterwards. At least not as much as you'd expect. It's funny that many on here have criticized him because of his poor game against Blackburn, just like they have criticized the whole team. I reckon people agree with me that we weren't good at all against Blackburn. The team as a whole didn't perform. But I'll agree with you to some extent; you of course can't look into the players' minds and say if they can be arsed or not. BUT their attitude on the pitch sums up how they perform, naturally. I'm not sure of how to put this, but it's up to the individual to judge if he or she thinks the players are doing the Club justice. Every player can have an off-day but they will always fight if they can be arsed. Wether it's wrong or right to boo, there can be no definte answer as it's an individual thing. But booing just for the sake of it, I do not! I personally never leave the ground before the final whistle though. If some players can't be arsed representing Liverpool but only their pay cheque, why support them? The Club I support always and 100 per cent, but I will not cheer players who aren't arsed. They have to represent the Club properly and indeed wanting to! Why is that? Because you say so?

Well, I do shout out things like that. "FFS GET A GRIP" in Danish would be the most used at our stadium, but it's not like the players can hear it and reflect on it. But what you've just said emphasises my point really. We all have different ways of showing we're unhappy with someone's effort, but who's to judge what's the right and wrong way of doing it? As I've said, many people on here call our players all sorts of things but they happily clap at the game. I personally find that using double standards. Thank you. That's the main reason to my opinion really. My local team have had that attitude throughout the middle 90's and early 2000's. We've long been at the bottom of the Danish Super League with foreign players who didn't give a schite about the Club but only the size of their pay cheque, which we are a large part of. Therefore the fans at our stadium boo(ed) at them since they couldn't be arsed. Now our team go out there and fight and that should be the f**king spirit! Just because you boo doesn't mean you don't enjoy watching your team, and it certainly doesn't mean you aren't a fan. Andy, you have many times criticized a lot of our players on here but what good is that to the team? Why not tell them instead? If you have a son and he can't be arsed with something important that you put a lot of effort in both for his and your own sake, then of course you should tell him. Naturally you won't boo at your son since you have other means available, but the point is you make him aware of the fact that he should put in an effort when he's doing something that means a alot to his future or something to that effect. Don't know if it's a good comparison though. But you still love him and pay and interest in him even if he underperforms but of course you have to tell him to do better. That's what booing means to me. Nothing malicious I think. (I'm probably gonna get slagged off for this comparison but that wouldn't exactly been any news...)

I wasn't particularly referring to you, Andy. I do walk away at full time if the players weren't arsed with the game. Why should I stay and clap the players off if they weren't arsed putting in an effort? Again, I must stress (just so some people don't forget) that it's rarely like that. My local team has won f.uck all in over ten years but the support is still there 100 per cent. Regarding the Rovers game, our team in the first half were poor, very poor. They didn't fight until after the interval. But, as I wrote to Kev which started this whole thing, there was nothing to cheer in the first half, was there? I didn't say BOO THE f**K AWAY!!, did I? I've seen worse games involving Liverpool but I can only thing of one game where the players should have been genuinely ashamed of themselves and that was So'ton away in Rafa's first season. You can have words with people as much as you want, even with me, but I'm still of the opinion that booing is our (although a bit primitive) way of saying 'you have to put in an effort, guys' ... It's not like we have the chance of delaying the game so that we can go into details about their poor performance, right Oh, this one is for you, Andy: Michael Owen seems happy at Newcastle despite their fans booing more than breathing - what's your thoughs on that/him?

Yeah. I'm planning a trip to Anfield very soon, so don't worry But you need to update the rules of this forum cf. your opinion in this thread. Not professional as in getting a bit fat pay cheque. I played for my local team until I smashed both my knee-caps. Afterwards my legs were too weak to play football at any level higher than Sunday League Football.

You think so? The chance of joining the vendetta is still there though! But I've almost given up. Of course I can see I'm outnumbered here but it pisses me off when people on a discussion board don't care about other people's opinion and only want to go on about their own. I mean, my arguments are being called all sorts of things here, but in fact they're valid, even if you don't agree with them. I admire the support fans give Liverpool and I wish I could be at Anfield week in week out (wouldn't be allowed anyway as I'm an OOC'er) singing YNWA as we do in the pub over here, but regardless I'd still express my dissatisfaction with a performance where the players can't be arsed. We have different opinions and I accept that, of course, but the fact that I dare boo out (and applaud, just so some people don't forget that!) my opinion at the match instead of calling our players idiots and even worse words says a lot really. It's ever so easy complaining to your next one that one player is gash, when you'd wish the player heard it (if you don't, why complain?), but why not tell it to people who can do something about it?

Of course you are. I personally don't think a moderator should apply double standards, but that is of course your own call, I'm afraid. But never in my life will I succumb to your way of changing someone's opinion. You really are being pathetic yourself but what do you care. I see your point and accept that you wouldn't boo even if your team couldn't be arsed with you and told it to your face. But you don't care about my opinion as it doesn't match yours. You support the players out there, I support the players who are willing to put up a performance in honour of the three letters (or nine in daily terms). Are you also going to ban me for having a different opinion and maybe even call me a nazi? That would be my next guess...

Yes, of course personal abuse is fine, I wouldn't expect anything else from you, I guess. But you might wanna add to the rules of the forum that it's okay to personally abuse somewhen if their opinion differs from yours. I'll say it again then: As long as the team can be arsed then of course NO BOOING. Only if their attitude on the pitch stinks, THEN there will be booing. I remember that game at Old Trafford where Hyypiä got dismissed after like four minutes for a foul OUTSIDE the f.ucking penalty area, and van Diver got a penalty and they won 4-0. Horrible result, but the players fought and therefore should not be booed at. You somehow fail to see that part of my point. I don't just boo for the sake of it. It's ONLY when the players on the pitch can't be arsed to do what they're paid for. Where I come from my local team got relegated, which was a big shock, since we got hold of the best manager in the league and we were the oldest Club to have been the longest in the highest league, but the team fought really hard and had the support of 8-10.000 loyal fans, who showed up week in week out. Our top players got paid like 6K A MONTH but they fought like men out on the pitch, even when we got thumped 4 or 5 nil. We applauded them all the way down the next best league and we still continue our support! They've been underperforming though so promotion is a long way from current, I'm afraid, but still we show up every week, and the attendance is higher this year than last when we were playing in the Danish Super League. There have been a couple of games where the players just simply couldn't be arsed the first 45 minutes and therefore they were booed at. It helped as they fought like hell in the second half and got applauded because of this. And what is the difference when some people slag off 100K-a-week-Gerrard by calling him an idiot because of his attitude and when people boo at him at half-time because he couldn't be arsed? Almost all YNWA-users criticize our own players calling dem schite and stuff but is that any better than booing then? Even you can't escape the fact the you've spoken about our own players in not so nice terms, am I not right?

Yesterday he made some basic errors too. A couple of crosses he didn't manage to punch away or even reach, but he had a good game though. Unfortunately

Horrific! Onside showed it a couple of hours ago. Viborg's doctor said he would be fully training in six weeks time though It must hurt incomprehensibly !!!

Yes, of course, I only started supporting Liverpool after our CL victory, no, even better, after the "Steven Gerrard Final" ! I go to games to support my team, which I do. Support is not only a pad on the shoulder. It's also support being critical. I can come up with numerous examples but you don't seem to understand my point regardless, and I really don't care actually. I am entitled to my opinion just as everybody else. At least I don't think of violence as a valid excuse of acting when someone boos or does something 'wrong', as one user apparently does. FFS! WTF is wrong with showing how you feel? I mean, at least I dare 'boo' it out loud. I bet you call some of our players c.unts or idiots like you called me if they've been gash. But dare you express your feelings toward the players? It's not like it's normal procedure as I've said before. You really practices a double standard!

Lay off personal abuse, will you? I'm entitled to my opinion and judging on yesterday's match some people share my opinion. But you don't need to write in capital letters and call me f***ING STUPID, DON'T YOU f***ING UNDERSTAND THAT?!!! What good does criticizing players on a forum or even in the public media? I shall tell you ... the player MUST react to it and hopefully in a positive way and perform better on the pitch. My attitude is fine by the way. I support my team all the way, but I'm still being critical, of course! And no, I don't chant "easy", just for the record. Can't believe how some of you get in the red zone because of this. Players often say the fans had every right to criticize and boo because of a poor performance. It's not like it happens every time. And, as I said, as long as they f.ucking fight for the three letters then nobody should boo.

Some did boo indeed, but the team could be arsed and fought so no reason to boo. If you're being outplayed by a better team then you can do nothing but fight, which we did. Well put. I like the way you argue against... I don't consider myself a c*** nor do I have one, but I reckon it's my 'right' to express my feelings... Of course it's fair to beat up other people that makes perfect sense. Please don't go into detail. Look people, I don't f.ucking boo like I change my underwear but what's the point of clapping along and jumping around with your jesterhats if the players don't seem arsed? I of course support my team but they have to show some positive response.

Different opinions then. I look at it like this: We pay the players' wages, therefore we have a right of telling them if we think we get something in return. If you do well at work then you'd expect your boss to praise you. If you do f.uck all then of course your boss will tell you. If he says nothing at all you might not better your performance or maybe even think you can get away with doing f.uck all. Therefore, if the players do f.uck all then they should be told that it ain't good enough. Obviously most of them already know that but yet the seem not to be arsed. So some people boo. It's their choice and MANY people complain about the players' performances, saying they're schite and so. I'd rather be booed at at half time than hear people say I'm schite. I don't find booing that harsh personally and of course the players are able to take it otherwise they shouldn't be on the pitch. I would like to stress though that I don't boo if a player misses a chance or something like that. ONLY if we can't be arsed on the pitch, then I boo. No reason to use terms like 'idiot' and 'c.unt' - that's just lame!

Well, I wouldn't normally boo but if the boys can't be arsed then I want them to know how I feel about the performance. If they fight then I'm okay with it. Yesterday they did f.uck all in the first half. The worst thing to say about the booing yesterday is harsh but fair...

Nothing to cheer was there?

Agree completely. If Riise hadn't had a go with his right foot I would have said that Pennant got as much support yesterday as Riise shoots with his right foot He'll come good, I hope.

Gerrard played?

That's the spirit

Easy now. Utd seem a bit off form aswell, and we can't possibly play any worse than today, so you have to be just a little bit more positive, Macca. Can't we just re-sign Murphy? Then we'll win without problems

Agger?

Whoa! Remember So'ton away when Crouch scored against us? That's THE WORST performance I've EVER witnessed ANY team 'deliver' ...