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I dont know who is right or wrong on the legalities of allowing due dilligence but Coolmore owned a Stock Exchange listed PLC, David Moores owns an unlisted PLC

It could be Rafa just being cautious like you say it could also be cash flow it could be both

Padelli is a 6 month loan deal with a permanent deal option Insua is an 18 month loan deal (possibly with a permanent deal option) Leto is joining in the summer McCarthy the media reckon we have bid £150 K for Sounds to me like we have a pittance for January and Rafa is deferring as many deals in the hope that DIC takeover the club and give him and huge wedge of cash in the summer

I think "stand" is the optimum word to describe Dudeks reaction to that freekick

Hmmm and who owned Everton FC - werent they also owned by the Moores family I think also you will find that Everton spent much of the 60's and 70's with the nickname of the "Millionaires" due to their spending power I dont care how you dress it up - more money equals more chance of wininng the League When Liverpool did it in the 60's money wasnt so much an issue we didnt outspend anyone in the top flight when we took the title. Admittedly later in the back end of the 70's and mid 80's we were amongst the biggest spenders (although United must have spent a fair wedge then) Football has become more and more about spending power = road to Premiership ask Blackburn they did it on the back of a rich owner albeit on a much smaller scale than Roman has Chelsea havent just been the biggest spenders each season during Romans tenure they have spent more than double their nearest rivals each season At least United only started spending mega sums of cash once Fergie had won the League for a season or two with the youth team he brought through Chelsea have won the league because they have spent vast sums of money on players and realistically whether we LFC supporters like it or not the only way we will get near Chelsea is if we ourselves spend vast sums of money also

Maybe I'm wrong on this but the last time we reached a significant stage over investment letters were circulated to the shareholder advising them that this was the case and the club issued a Code 2.10 announcement (which details our shareholding and nominal price) The Code 2.10 happens when a buyer puts the company under an offer period (ie advises them that they intend to make a bid for major proportion of the shareholding) they are given a certain amount of time to finalise the bid then So assuming the above is correct, no letters and no Code 2.10 announcement mean no potential bid

It narrows it down further than that Quite a few of the board members were appointed by David Moores, sort of jobs for the boys. One was even his former accountant I believe If it was a quote from an LFC Director then I'd be betting on it being White

Wouldnt be the first time an investment story in the Echo or Post has come to nothing and it probably wont be the last either

Newcastle have

My Dad use to go and watch Manchester United as a kid (although hes been cured of that illness) and he reckons that Duncan Edwards was better than Charlton He (my dad) reckons Gerrard is the nearest thing to Edwards and reckons he will surpass him shortly (mainly due to Edwards dying at such an early age before he could develop)

Different players imo Gerrard plays more of the McMahon role Whelan played a holding role, a bit like a more mobile Hamman IMO Gerrard is the better all round player, the only thing I would say that Ronnie was more suited to than Gerrard is the holding role. Whelan was VERY disciplined and if I have one criticism of Gerrard its that at times he can lose concentration when asked to sit in that position hes better when hes free to roam about the pitch I'd have Gerrard ahead of Whelan though any day if I was put on the spot

According to Bascombe in last Saturdays football Echo we had to pay a fee for Aurelio because he'd already agreed to sign for a Uruguayan side (I presume it was a similar situation to Hamman ----> Bolton -----> Citeh)

Exactly also there are loyalty bonuses when players leave (unless they hand in a transfer request), sometimes we have to compensate players salary differences etc.... You cant just say fees outgoing less fees incoming = nett spend its far too simplistic

Can you give me a link to that Geordie site

That was originally posted on Cunny

Got any links could do with a laugh

Kuyt is one step closer to signing Aug 16 2006 By Ian Doyle, Daily Post DIRK KUYT has moved a step nearer to securing a move to Anfield after Feyenoord gave the striker permission to speak to Liverpool. Reports in Holland claim the 26-year-old has already spoken with Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez, who outlined how his proposed plans for the striker this season. Some stories circulating yesterday used old quotes from Kuyt to suggest the forward is eyeing a move to Newcastle United. But the Holland international has informed Feyenoord of his desire to join Liverpool. And now Kuyt, who is part of the Holland squad that will face the Republic of Ireland in a friendly in Dublin tonight, is waiting on Liverpool and Feyenoord to thrash out a fee, with the Dutch club still holding out for £10million. Meanwhile, Daniel Agger is confident his surprise Community Shield appearance can kickstart his Anfield career. The Denmark international started alongside Jamie Carragher in central defence against Chelsea on Sunday, only his fifth appearance since his £5.6million arrival from Brondby in January. It was also Agger's first outing of any kind since March after missing all Liverpool's pre-season friendlies through injury. But the 21-year-old believes his "unlucky" start to life at Anfield is in the past and is ready to challenge for a regular starting role. "It was a bit of a surprise to be selected, but that's what I'm here for. Although it was a surprise, I was ready," said Agger. "I wasn't thinking about the fact I was playing against Shevchenko, all I thought about was the game. To be playing made me happy so I was determined to do my best. "I think I've been unlucky since I moved to Liverpool because of injuries, but you just get on with it. Now I'm moving on and will keep working." A youthful Liverpool side will travel to Lincoln City for a friendly this evening at Sincil Bank (kick-off 7.30pm). The game was arranged as part of the transfer that took Jack Hobbs to Anfield last year.

Hes contracted till 2009

Its after the transfer window has closed

Agger aims to retain place Aug 15 2006 By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo DANIEL AGGER hopes his confident return to senior action will ignite a Liverpool career he believes has endured an 'unlucky' start. The Danish international was a surprise inclusion for Sunday's Community Shield victory, but he justified the faith of the manager with an accomplished performance against Didier Drogba and Andriy Shevchenko. It was only Agger's fifth first team appearance since his £5.5m switch from Brondby last January. But with competition for places at the heart of the Liverpool defence stronger than it's been for years, the 21-year-old is sure of his ability to be at the forefront of the manager's plans. "It was a bit of a surprise to be selected, but that's what I'm here for. To play, so although it was a surprise I was ready," said Agger. "I wasn't thinking about the fact I was playing against Shevchenko, all I thought about was the game. To be playing made me happy so I was determined to do my best. "I think I've been unlucky since I moved to Liverpool because of injuries, but you just have to get on with it. Now I'm moving on and will keep working. "I've always felt a lot of confidence in my ability. I believe in myself and I know what I can and can't do. "Now I hope this is a new start and the bad luck I've had is in the past." Like much of the Liverpool squad, Agger is on international duty for the rest of the week. Rafa Benitez was back at his desk at Melwood today hoping to conclude the £10m switch of Dirk Kuyt. The Dutch international is now understood to be very close to concluding one of the longest transfer sagas of the summer. Meanwhile, Scott Carson has been allowed to join Charlton on a season's loan. Carson recently signed a new deal at Anfield, but Benitez is keen to see the youngster earn regular Premiership experience. The second leg of Liverpool's Champions League tie against Maccabi Haifa, meanwhile, will be played in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev next Tuesday.

My wife works for an investment company in Liverpool and she was saying that a number of people were speculating along similar lines today re Kraft coming back into the fray

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Kuyt prefers Newcastle United By Jan Hattinga - August 13 2006 Feyenoord striker Dirk Kuyt thinks he will end up at Liverpool instead of his prefered destination Newcastle United. Kuyt would love to replace Geordie legend Alan Shearer at Newcastle but it seems unlikely that the Magpies will match Feyenoord's asking price. Kuyt told me last week that he desperately wants to sign for Newcastle United. "I've always wanted to be a hero, I have that status now at Feyenoord and I want to achieve that at my next club too. I know quite a bit about Newcastle, they're one of the best supported teams in the Premier League and they're a typical English club. It would be a dream to play for them." The striker is unsure whether he will be a Toon hero next season, though. "I know Feyenoord are asking a massive fee and I don't know if Newcastle are willing to match that." Liverpool are more likely to take the gamble and pay Feyenoord's asking price of around £10 million. "I would consider a move to Liverpool, they're likely to progress to the Champions League group stages, I would love to play in that competition but my first choice is Newcastle."

For some reason Football Echo articles are never added to the icliverpool website only the back pages of the Saturday Daily Post and Echo are added Heres the article in full Football Echo - Saturday, August 12, 2006 By Chris Bascombe THE FINAL PIECE TO AN AGE OLD PUZZLE Striker can complete the jigsaw England?s national jigsaw championships took place in Surrey just a few weeks ago, fortunately, Liverpool weren?t? represented. As anyone who?s followed the club for the last 16 years will tell you, the club struggles so often assembling ?the last piece? they?re still in the process of completing a puzzle they started in 1990. By the end of the week Rafa Benitez should be unveiling the latest missing segment. When Dirk Kuyt arrives, which thankfully looks increasingly inevitable, major business will be concluded for another summer and the first serious assessments of the new Liverpool can proceed. Benitez has argued with some justification he doesn?t possess the financial might of Chelsea, but other than Jose Mourinho, nobody does. Relatively speaking the purchase of Kuyt for £10m will demonstrate once more that although the Reds desperately need more capital, any accusations they fail to back their managers in the transfer market are grossly unfair. Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Roy Evans and Gerard Houllier all broke the club?s transfer record, in some cases more than once. Benitez hasn?t yet eclipsed the £14m wasted on Djibril Cisse on one player, but after the latest round of spending no-one will be able to take future hints of poverty seriously. Proving Kuyt arrives, and that?s the key here, Liverpool will have signed six players for a combined cost well in excess of £25m. That?s a ball park figure because some of the fees remain undisclosed. It?s emerged Fabio Aurelio, for example, wasn?t a free transfer from Valencia after all. The Brazilian signed a pre-contract with a Uruguayan club last January, so Liverpool had to pay the South Americans to bring him in. it can also be argued a portion of the fees can be accounted for through player sales. But in the closed season, only Fernando Morientes? departure brought any reasonable return. When any investment in the squad is compared to Chelsea, clearly Liverpool look like poorer cousins. You can take a figure of £25 m and bend it to suit whatever argument you feel like depending on whether Liverpool have won or lost their last match. Compared to the rest of the Premiership (aside from Chelsea, the ludicrous Newcastle who spend money that?s not their own and Portsmouth and their ?mystery? backers) the Red are hardly misers. And if the vast investment in transfers since 1990 proves anything, it?s not how much you spend that matters most, it?s what you spend it on. Take a poll of the greatest signing the club has made in that time, and if the £2.5m for Sami Hyppia isn?t at the top, you?ve been asking the wrong people. Liverpool?s board will hope they haven?t any black cheques to hand the manager this summer has a positive effect. Benitez has stated regularly how his scouts have to work harder and take more care because mistakes can?t be afforded. The luxury of wasting £14m on a striker who is clearly not good enough will never be granted in the current regime and who?s going to argue? At times this summer it?s been easy to identify moments of mil discord, mainly when Benitez?s frustration with the lack of a conclusion with both the Alves and Kuyt deals lingered. Tension between the managers demands and the boardroom?s enforced pragmatism are hardly new. Since the days of Bill Shankly, the Anfield board has been handed a wish list at the end of every May, only to send it back with crosses through one or two names beyond the club?s resources. As another round of Shankly books are testifying, the legendary Scot offered and retracted his resignation on an annual basis when deals weren?t agreed for his number one targets. The echoes from history are eerie when analysing the relationship between Benitez and his board. Political contests are a deeply absorbing aspect of the game, and the current Liverpool boss has an expertise when it comes to battles of will. Of course, unlike Shankly, there?s never been anything so dramatic as a threat to walk from Benitez - even if the Real Madrid saga last spring was a bit close for comfort - but the age old problem of what a manager wants and what he can actually afford is as significant now as it?s ever been. Kuyt?s signature should ensure both the manager and board feel hugely satisfied with their summer?s business. Benitez began the pre-season hoping for at least seven new faces, and Kuyt would make six. If Jerzy Dudek leaves the club, or Scott Carson is sent on loan, a new keeper may yet be added. Of those top of the ?wish-list? only Daniel Alves escaped Benitez?s grasp and he?s young enough to arrive at a later date. Early indications suggest Jermaine Pennant will prove a hugely encouraging compromise anyway. So smiling faces and pats on the back all round if Kuyt holds aloft his red jersey over the next few days. Now let?s hope that jigsaw is finally complete.

According to the Echo Diao returned to Liverpool after postponing a planned trial at The Valley.