Julien Blanc

[Swan Red]

Seems like a t***, has been denied entry to the UK because of his misogyny. Following on from the banning of Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer where I think the justification is clearer just what are the grounds that we are comfortable with the home secretary denying entry?

[Duncan Disorderly]

Cos he's a c*nt?

[Ostrich Man]

not a good reason, youd be able to go nowhere DD.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Ostrich Man

[cymrococh]

Public opinion? Was there a petition of some sort?

 

From what I've read he seems to have promoted practices which would be considered sexual assault. I'm not sure how much of a reason there needs to be.

[Swan Red]

I'm not sure how much of a reason there needs to be.

 

Nor am I, that's what I'm hoping to understand. I'm better with public opinion I guess and I don't want the specific case to define what is grounds for banning orders but as I'm generally opposed to restrictions on movement I'm not sure where the restrictions need to be.

[cymrococh]

I would have preferred some restriction on his ability to make money while he was here, but I presume that is probably covered by people paying for his seminars before he's in the country.

 

It is problematic, I agree with it in this case but it obviously doesn't take much to imagine a case with which I would have massive issues.

 

Let him in and let public opinion take its course would probably be my favoured approach, but no-one's going to go to the banks for this c*nt.

[Swan Red]

Letting him in and having people protest is my preference as well, I think the line needs to be where there they present a clearer danger but I'm not sure

[TheLa]

Odd one this. Don't know much about him but from the little I've read the guy's obviously a complete prick, but I'm not keen on governments restricting peoples movements, that's just a recipe for f***ing disaster.

 

Dont understand the legalities of it, if I'm honest. Do the Home Office believe he's a serious threat to women rather than a Dapper Laughs style 'banter' nobhead? If not could they not just refuse his work permit? 'Yeh, come over lad, have a go on that big wheel in London, take in show, eat some jellied eel and that. But you can't work here, sorry' Is that more illegal than preventing someone entering the country?

[Ibby]

There was a petition with 150k signatures apparently which led to the refusal

[Hassony]

Odd one this. Don't know much about him but from the little I've read the guy's obviously a complete prick, but I'm not keen on governments restricting peoples movements, that's just a recipe for f***ing disaster.

 

Dont understand the legalities of it, if I'm honest. Do the Home Office believe he's a serious threat to women rather than a Dapper Laughs style 'banter' nobhead? If not could they not just refuse his work permit? 'Yeh, come over lad, have a go on that big wheel in London, take in show, eat some jellied eel and that. But you can't work here, sorry' Is that more illegal than preventing someone entering the country?

why is stopping someone entering the country illegal?

 

isn't that more or less the reason for border control ?

[TheLa]

why is stopping someone entering the country illegal?

 

isn't that more or less the reason for border control ?

I didn't say it was. I said that I wasn't particularly keen on governments stopping people entering the country, and also that I didn't understand the legalities of it.

 

I may not have phrased it correctly but it was more a general wondering of why they would prevent him from entering the country rather than prevent him from working in the country, in which case he'd have no reason to be here anyway.

 

Like I say, I'm not familiar with this fellas 'work' is he more a threat to women than that Dapper Laughs d****ead? And didn't the British government do the same to Tyson a while ago cos he was a convicted rapist? Is it fair to draw parallels there?

[Bailo]

He's inciting sexual assault. Perfectly good reason to bar the massive c***.

[Swan Red]

I'm okay with those that think it was correct to deny him a visa, what I'm wondering is where the line is, what constitutes the public good and is a barring order better than allowing him to enter and protesting when he does?

 

I get that the idea that we should defend freedom of speech even when we disagree with what they say is flawed. I accept it may be easier to bar someone and I also understand that there was a petition to keep him out but what are the grounds on which we prevent people from entering the country. It seems under determined and open to abuse.

[Flight]

Could be wrong but I think he applied for entry to work, which was a lecture tour giving lessons on how to be a successful sexual predator. Fair enough to deny that.

[Falconhoof]

I signed the petition. I didn't weigh up the implications for other cases, I just don't want his act/message getting anywhere.

[Rimbeux]

Is he breaking laws? Presumably if he is then they'd be similar in the US and he'd be on charges.

 

Outside of that it's a bit ridiculous that the Home Secretary has such power, and then uses it in what seems like an arbitrary way in response to petitions.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

It's exactly when you hate someone that your commitment to human rights is tested.

[Falconhoof]

Could be wrong but I think he applied for entry to work, which was a lecture tour giving lessons on how to be a successful sexual predator. Fair enough to deny that.

Could be wrong but I think he applied for entry to work, which was a lecture tour giving lessons on how to be a successful sexual predator. Fair enough to deny that.

This is an important distinction to me, and probably means his human rights aren't violated.

Can he come and visit the UK on holiday ? Sure

Can he come and work in a legitimate line of business ? Yes, fine.

Can he come here and train pricks to harass women ? Probably inciting violence of some kind, so no.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Would it be illegal for a British citizen to hold seminars along the same lines?

[DazzlaJ]

Would it be illegal for a British citizen to hold seminars along the same lines?

There was one called Fayez Blancs but he never really planted his seed

[Falconhoof]

Would it be illegal for a British citizen to hold seminars along the same lines?

I would hope so. He seems to be inciting crime, as far as I can make out.

[cymrococh]

I'm sure there are pick-up artist seminars in the UK, this guy seems to go further though.

[Swan Red]

If it is merely a matter of someone advocating breaking the law would people have the same concerns with a cannabis advocate leading a series of seminars?

 

He is barred because he is expected either to incite a crime or commit one, but he's done neither here and hasn't been subject to a charge elsewhere as far as I am aware. We can't ban his material and it wouldn't seem particularly difficult to conceive of people we like accumulating 150,000 signatories objecting to them speaking.

 

Is anyone sure of whether he's banned from entering or working?

[cymrococh]

Is anyone sure of whether he's banned from entering or working?

From the BBC report:

 

The Home Secretary has the power to exclude an individual if she considers his or her presence in the UK is "not conducive to the public good".

 

However, a spokesman for the Home Office said it did not comment on individual exclusion cases - unless they were made public by the excluded individual.

[Swan Red]

Cheers I thought so, there seemed to be some question up thread.