Compensation re Cisse

[Guest HarrowRed]

Newcastle United's demand for £20m in compensation from the FA over the injury to Michael Owen is set to receive the influential support of David Dein.

 

 

The Arsenal vice-chairman was appointed President of the G14 group this week and immediately indicated that he would give the Toon's compensation claim his full backing as part of the heavyweight clubs' ongoing campaign against the inconvenience of international football.

 

 

"We have got the Michael Owen issue where he has been injured in the World Cup and could be out for a whole year," Dein said. "In our case, we had Philippe Senderos injured in the World Cup and we haven't seen him play for Arsenal this season and we are already in October. The G14 will back Newcastle and support them and I hope they would support Arsenal if we decided to do something over Senderos. Why shouldn't we? In what other industry would you allow your employees to go to someone else and then be off for a length of time because effectively they were on secondment to someone else?"

 

 

Talks between Newcastle and the FA are already underway, with the Toon indicating that they would have no compunction in taking their case to the High Court if necessary.

 

 

Their claim for £20m compensation will centre around the financial cost of losing Owen, injured on England duty during the World Cup, for a minimum period of eight months.

 

 

Although the FA's insurers are willing to pay half of Owen's £103,000-a-week wages for a year, the Toon also want to be compensated for the deprecation in Owen's value due to the long-term implications of such a serious knee injury, and the cost of buying a replacement. They are likely to argue that, had Owen been available, they would not have bought Obafemi Martins for £10m.

 

 

Surely we can argue the same over Cisse as he broke his leg playing for France. Had he not we could have sold him on this year, but we had to buy Bellamy so surely we could ask for his transfer back, also I bet that even though he on loan at Marseille we are still paying some if not all his wages.

If Newcastle get compensation this will set a dangerous precedent in terms of international football.

[mrjunk]

thought it was the norm.

[johngibo YPC]

It could be the end of international football to a certain extent

[Albertini]

It could be the end of international football to a certain extent

 

Thank f***k for that, if it is!

 

Waste of time anyway.

[fyds]

Well the end or at least very careful consideration of pointless friendlies anyway. The various major FA's are rich, the smaller ones very much less so...they could create a pool of funds paid into a by a means tested (to coin a phrase) sysytem and managed by the relative international body (UEFA, CAF, AFC etc) that could pay out to clubs in the event of a Cissé, Redknapp, Owen type injury.

[Leo No.8]

I really don't think what Dein has to say as the head of the G14 really makes a jot of difference.

 

The G14 would support claims like this anyway, as their main function is to get the best possible deals for the big clubs under their umbrella regardless.

 

I do think clubs should be compensated for injuries sustained whilst on international duty though. Football Associations the world over must be minted anyway, the money that comes their way in the modern game.

[trowie]

Thank f***k for that, if it is!

 

Waste of time anyway.

While I have little regard for the international scene, I can't help but think about how much the international game brings cash into the various associations.

The world cup, and Euro Nations cup does raise the profile of the sport in every country. The rise in attendances after 66 helped no end towards the modernisation of facilities and each subsequent event has led to a bettering of stadiums in the host country.

So I'd rather keep the internationals but send our reserves out there instead

 

Back to the thread though

England has an insurance system for injuries, but I remember France not having one according to earlier posts.

Edited October 6, 2006 by trowie

[fyds]

I really don't think what Dein has to say as the head of the G14 really makes a jot of difference.

 

The G14 would support claims like this anyway, as their main function is to get the best possible deals for the big clubs under their umbrella regardless.

 

I do think clubs should be compensated for injuries sustained whilst on international duty though. Football Associations the world over must be minted anyway, the money that comes their way in the modern game.

No - the big European FA's and most overarching bodies are, but the Icelandic Football Association, Bosnian, Moldovan, Cameroon etc - no. They only need a Gudjohnsson, Hereiderson, Savejevic or Eto level player or two to get badly injured while on international duty and a full claim could near bankrupt them.

 

While I have little regard for the international scene, I can't help but think about how much the international game brings cash into the various associations.

The world cup, and Euro Nations cup does raise the profile of the sport in every country. The rise in attendances after 66 helped no end towards the modernisation of facilities and each subsequent event has led to a bettering of stadiums in the host country.

So I'd rather keep the internationals but send our reserves out there instead

 

Which rather blows your first point out of the water, doesn't it? Unless millions are going to pay to watch international stiffs.

Edited October 6, 2006 by fyds

[trowie]

No - the big European FA's and most overarching bodies are, but the Icelandic Football Association, Bosnian, Moldovan, Cameroon etc - no. They only need a Gudjohnsson, Hereiderson, Savejevic or Eto level player or two to get badly injured while on international duty and a full claim could near bankrupt them.

Which rather blows your first point out of the water, doesn't it? Unless millions are going to play to watch international stiffs.

It was only tongue in cheek. Forgot the smiley

[Leo No.8]

No - the big European FA's and most overarching bodies are, but the Icelandic Football Association, Bosnian, Moldovan, Cameroon etc - no. They only need a Gudjohnsson, Hereiderson, Savejevic or Eto level player or two to get badly injured while on international duty and a full claim could near bankrupt them.

 

Good point - I hadn't really thought about the smaller associations in all honesty. Even the small footballing nations have at least one star player, and you're right serious injury to them could cause serious problems.

 

Could they perhaps get insurance to cover the eventuality? See I wouldn't want to see that happen, but I just don't think its right players get injured on international duty and the club have to pay their wages and lose one of their squad members...

[fyds]

Good point - I hadn't really thought about the smaller associations in all honesty. Even the small footballing nations have at least one star player, and you're right serious injury to them could cause serious problems.

 

Could they perhaps get insurance to cover the eventuality? See I wouldn't want to see that happen, but I just don't think its right players get injured on international duty and the club have to pay their wages and lose one of their squad members...

 

See the bit I mentioned above about paying into an international confederation pool - I know this is something our own Noel White has been advocating for some years now, along with a few others including Dein.

 

It was only tongue in cheek. Forgot the smiley

Those dammed Smiley's eh?

[Guest HarrowRed]

never thought of the smaller nation if I'm honest, but the thing is Owen plays for Newcastle but the fact that he plays for England increases his value. If he did'nt play for England do you think he would be worth less or more ????. I'm saying this in the sense that due to Owen popularity through the England team, Newcastle get the bedefit through extra sponsorship etc...

 

I guess Beckham would be good current example, he's not really in the news for positive reasons at the moment even though England are playing, whereas previously he would be on the TV everyday in the build up to an international, this must impact on his commercial to Madrid - hence the stalling

[trowie]

never thought of the smaller nation if I'm honest, but the thing is Owen plays for Newcastle but the fact that he plays for England increases his value. If he did'nt play for England do you think he would be worth less or more ????. I'm saying this in the sense that due to Owen popularity through the England team, Newcastle get the bedefit through extra sponsorship etc...

 

I guess Beckham would be good current example, he's not really in the news for positive reasons at the moment even though England are playing, whereas previously he would be on the TV everyday in the build up to an international, this must impact on his commercial to Madrid - hence the stalling

And would playing for Trinidad and Tobago increase your value

[fyds]

never thought of the smaller nation if I'm honest, but the thing is Owen plays for Newcastle but the fact that he plays for England increases his value. If he did'nt play for England do you think he would be worth less or more ????. I'm saying this in the sense that due to Owen popularity through the England team, Newcastle get the bedefit through extra sponsorship etc...

 

I guess Beckham would be good current example, he's not really in the news for positive reasons at the moment even though England are playing, whereas previously he would be on the TV everyday in the build up to an international, this must impact on his commercial to Madrid - hence the stalling

That only really works if Newcastle own his image rights - which they don't. Money drummed up by Owen sponsoring this and that goes to owen - Newcastle don't even get the dubious kudos as everyone knows they're crap anyway. Madrid own a large percetage of Beckham's image rights though, they do that with every big name they sign...the cynical among us might say it's the main reason he's still there...

[Kopfaithful]

Good point - I hadn't really thought about the smaller associations in all honesty. Even the small footballing nations have at least one star player, and you're right serious injury to them could cause serious problems.

 

Could they perhaps get insurance to cover the eventuality? See I wouldn't want to see that happen, but I just don't think its right players get injured on international duty and the club have to pay their wages and lose one of their squad members...

 

The world cup makes millions upon millions for the game. Some of that money should be used to provide insurance for the players while they are on international duty. There's no need for the small nations to be bankrupt - there's plenty of money in the game, perhaps they should cut back on all the freebies they ahnd out to "the football family" and other FIFA scams.

[nvdm]

Why shouldn't we? In what other industry would you allow your employees to go to someone else and then be off for a length of time because effectively they were on secondment to someone else?"

 

Dein comes across as a total hypocrite and should ask himself why Ashley Cole wasn't allowed to talk to Chelsea then. In what other industry would you bar your employees from seeking other employment?

 

Which is it? Are footballers ordinary people governed by ordinary employment rules, or do the big clubs use the "football is a unique industry" when it suits them? Rather than scrap international football, I'd be totally in favour of a high court ruling against Newcastle's claim that saw the silly money in football at present being brought down to earth.

 

Ask the players if they'd like to give up representing their country in an event like the World Cup. You'd get the same answer from any professional sportsperson with any backbone.

[Gomez]

Newcastle should get compo, but asking for £20m for a player they bought for £17m is taking the p*ss.

 

They should get his wages for the year, I can't see how they can ask for more. They should not be paid to replace him, unless Owen's registration is transfered to the FA for them to sell when he returns to fitness.

[SkippyjonJones]

The most sensible action would be for the PFA to arrange for insurance to be in place fo r all players in England who go on international duty. The payment of the premium could then be charged to each country who want players from England to represent their country. If a player is not attached to the any club then a provision could be made with the insurance company to pay the premium themselves. The club should not have to pay but hey would be the beneficiary. Alternatively the premium could paid by the clubs and the clubs could charge the countries for the premium.

 

However as the PFA doesn?t even raise enough from the players to pay lardy a*** Taylors salary I doubt if they have the ability to arrange it.

 

Maybe I should set something up?

[Guest tezza]

Bulls***!

Turn the argument around, should the associations claim a part of the transfer sum when a player are sold

for big bucks after a good world cup/ euro?

[Puskas]

Another idea.

 

If a player wants to go and play (work) for someone other than their normal employer then the player himself should be paying for any insurance in case he gets injured. If he doesn't want to pay for the insurance then he doesn't get to play.

[Guest HarrowRed]

that what I'm getting, surely the fact that a player is an international means that he is worth more. Alot of transfers include that i.e plays for england extra £10k. At the ned of the day if Owen was'nt playing for England he would not be a bigger star on the salary that he is on. Bet no-one can tell me the name of a current international on the same or comparable wages as Owen.

I also think the fact that they are trying to get the Martins transfer paid for is ludricus, are you trying to tell me that as soon as Owen is fit again that they are sell him ( Martins ) and refund the FA.

 

I personally think Newcastle have overstreched themselves and that if they don't win a trophy or get CL qualification they will be in trouble

[SkippyjonJones]

Bulls***!

Turn the argument around, should the associations claim a part of the transfer sum when a player are sold

for big bucks after a good world cup/ euro?

 

 

 

The associations get the benefit of players playing for them and the income from the crowds and tv/ advertising. The better the player the more money arrives for the association. That?s their financial benefit.

 

Transfer fees only relate to the registration of a player. Wherever they move they can still play for their country so there is no involvement or loss/gain to the association caused by a transfer.

 

 

If you borrow something and it breaks then you should make amends - simple concept.

 

 

As for the poorer countries ? then let the players pay the insurance for the honor of representing their country.

[Guest tezza]

Transfer fees only relate to the registration of a player. Wherever they move they can still play for their country so there is no involvement or loss/gain to the association caused by a transfer.

 

Tell that to the Argie coach, he just urged Tevez and Mascherano to get the hell out of West Ham as it could damage their international career.

 

If you borrow something and it breaks then you should make amends - simple concept.

 

In Owens case they borrowed something that was already broken, its not the international breaks that cripple players

it`s the day in, day out strain that comes with being a proffesional football player.

[Ginu]

Without the World Cup, football wouldn't be considered the world's game - it wouldn't reach countless people who wouldn't otherwise be interested and is definitely responsible for raising interest in the sport

[kozma]

Poppycock. Would I be wasting my days on a rugby site if there was no international football?