Bogman

Haven't really seen too much nastiness. Calling him a "will" (c*nt) is mostly done in jest. The problem is that a majority on here, and else where, think RFH is not Liverpool managerial material. How many other "big" clubs where after him after last season? Citeh? Nope, Arsenal?, Nope, UTD?, Nope, etc, etc..

Is the correct answer.

Watched the citeh v old lady after us, with a mate down the pub, and to the split second, we both stated that we got the wrong player from Juve. We should of got that Sissoko player, not Poulson. Scandalous. But to be fair, like the manager, we knew what type of player we were getting before we signed him.

If, as we should do, win sunday, it won't make it any better, if, as Macca says, the performance is ala WBA. To wheel out that well coined phrase, papering over cracks.

I suppose the good news in all of this, is that if the date was today, we've heard diddly squat from across the pond. Previously, we'd have had know weeks ago. crosses fingers, toes, eyes

We knew what we we'd be getting with Rafa. We know what we'll be getting with Woy. And all for the sum of 8 million that we don't really have. Says it all really.

The man was brought into (I hate this f***ing phrase) "steady the ship" He hasn't, we've regressed. Every week, every performance, we regress further. To me, he'll hold the dubious title of being the first LFC manager to have us out of the title race before the end of September. Worst start in 50 odd years, go Woy. Yeah you can blame the fixture list chucking up a crappy start, but really, this bad? You happy with the standard of:- Performance? Personnel he's recruited? Tactical nouse? Attitude? Savvy with the pc's? compared to the other encumbant?

It's not just the 6 league games tho' is it mate. It's the 6 european ties & Northampton, plus the 6 league games. There's been no fresh impetous of performance a new manager brings. No radical approach, no short term spert of results. Nothing. Nada. Personally, it's gone as bad a I thought it would. He's punching above his weight, and the pressures he'll face here, are nothing he's ever experienced in his managerial career before. And he's struggling. My scenario is that performances/results will continue, the big named players will be mentally "gone", come xmas, and we'll be further in free fall. Honestly, we've a better squad than the current tables tells, it's just that the manager hasn't brought in that fresh air, and broom that normally they bring. For me, he wasn't, and never will be good enough for my club.

"The deadline is tomorrow but they have a 14 day grace, I'm not happy about the grace but its part of the last refinancing deal,another £2.5m goes on for that period" This was posted yesterday on TLW

I've read on other forums, that the refinancing runs out today, with 14 days grace.

His premier league experience was managing one away win last season, taking Fulham down to (12th?) in the league, because he concentrated wholy on the Europa league. The pressures that come with LFC completely eclipse anything he'd have ever undertaken previously.

Being frank, I don't even think his cv was one of "quality". But then again, that's my overall impression, which will go against other peoples views. I've never rated the man, a typically average manager who was suited to Fulhams level, but was always going to punch above his weight with us. I like to compare him with Diouf. He had a good world cup, we brought him, he was crap. End of. But he was brought on the back of a good world cup. A good few games. RFH's the same. He was brought in after a good last few months of the season. Scratch below the surface, and you don't really see many achievements. It's quite shallow. If there was not another "quality" manager lined up when Rafa was given the bullet (sorry mutually convenient), then it shouldn't have gone to the best of the rest.

The next 6 games will tells us all we need to know about RFH's tenure. IF, there's no sign of improvement in both performance and points, surely it would have to be "sorted", before iwe tailspin into a "terminal decline." Surely, Shirley.

I'll get me coat.

We need a "clap" smilie.

Agreed. He theoretically could do irreparable damage

Hollywood director involved in anti Hicks & Gillett movie, filming in L4 this weekend Huge UK Casting Director Dan Hubbard (King Kong, The Damned United, The Bourne Ultimatum etc), is a massive Liverpool FC fan. This weekend he is coming up to Liverpool with Hollywood Producer & Director Mike Jefferies and together they are producing a viral to start a campaign against Tom Hicks and George Gillett. They want them out, nothing to do with them being Americans just, as fans, they will not ever accept the club they love being touted as a product like a soft drink. They are looking for celebrities and influential Liverpool fans to be involved in the viral. We have lots of people going along already but wondered if was something you’d be interested in? You would only be needed for 5 minutes. Either Saturday 10am-6pm or Sunday from 9am – Noon at Hope Street Hotel in town. The viral is building momentum and becoming known about throughout the country, as well as stateside. The following article was in the Daily Mirror on 24th September 2010: Another viral campaign, from Liverpool fan and Hollywood producer Mike Jeffries, has hit home Stateside, with the New York Times reporting that Hicks and Gillett are sending out a negative image of Americans to the English public. Jeffries, who wrote and produced the Goal! series of football-based films, has started a campaign which has hit the American media with thousands of emails, suggesting that no bank or financial business should lend to Hicks. In it, he cheekily writes: “Dear USA media executive, we love America in Liverpool but…we gave you the Beatles, and this is how you repay us?! “What happened to the ‘Special Relationship between the U.S. and the U.K.? Are you aware of how Tom Hicks is driving our beloved Liverpool Football Club into the ground? How would you like it if a British ‘businessman’ came over the USA and destroyed the New York Yankees?” The letter was printed in full by the New York Times (you can read it here on: http://poorscousertommy.blogspot.com) and several other huge American newspapers. The campaign will be backed today by the SoS initiative, who are planning a sit in after the Sunderland game, and will then repeat the process for the following week’s visit of Blackpool. In a statement released by the Supporters’ Union yesterday, they called for all fans to join the direct action aimed at driving Hicks and Gillett out of the club. “We would like as many supporters as possible, to make their feelings known towards the owners during the Sunderland match, using banners, flags and songs,” the statement read. “We ask everyone in the ground to make their voices heard – let everyone know you will no longer tolerate the current owners. “Following the match, irrespective of the result, we intend to hold a sit in protest. Regardless of where you sit, remain in the ground and make your views heard. Gather at the front of the stand you are in, with flags and banners, and make your voices heard.” While the Liverpool club board is actively attempting to block their owners’ attempts to refinace their debt – which is crippling the club’s finances – manager Roy Hodgson remained cautious about the protest last night. He ran the risk of alienating supporters further, following a dismal week on the pitch, when he suggested that the action could have an adverse effect on his players. “It doesn’t help but is something I’ve had to live with since I came. It is a major issue for a group of people who are very much anti the owners and anti the current people who are trying to solve the situation. I knew the situation existed and it doesn’t help. But it’s often the case when things are conspiring against you there is always an extra thing to come in and make it worse.” The plan is publish the movie on to You Tube and get as many views on it as possible to keep exposing what Tom Hicks is all about. Please support this effort. http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=22359

Liverpool FC's American owners may have just 17 days left at Anfield LIVERPOOL FC’s American co-owners may have just 17 days left in control at Anfield. The deadline for repaying their £237m debt, the majority of which is held by Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), expires next month. October 6 has long been the deadline day in many fans’ diaries for Tom Hicks and George Gillett to repay their debts. But the ECHO understands that Friday, October 15 is the earliest date the Americans debt will be called in by chief creditor, RBS. And even that provisional deadline is likely to slip a further seven days as the bank seeks to facilitate an orderly transition of power at the club. It is understood that the bank would rather that the club is sold to a new owner by October 15. But given the over-optimistic £600m-plus valuations that Hicks, in particular, has placed on the club it remains likely that a sale will not be complete by that deadline. Potential bidders will not pay over the odds and are waiting to snap up the club for the cheapest possible price.Talks with two serious prospective bidders are thought to be at a relatively advanced stage, although formal offers are a way off. Chairman Martin Broughton, managing director Christian Purslow, and commercial director Ian Ayre are understood to be keen to not just accept the highest bid. Instead the trio, who have a majority on the board, want to secure investment in the playing squad and a new stadium as well as paying off the club’s debts. It has been suggested the lower of two rival bids may be more attractive to the Liverpool board, if it was considered that it would put the club on a firm footing for the future. Ultimately the bank could force the holding company which owns LFC into administration and seek to sell the club itself, but this is seen as a last resort. The prospect of getting little or no profit from the sale of the club has led to Hicks carrying out a worldwide trawl in a bid to refinance the debt. It is feared the creation of an investment company Hicks Acquisition II is part of his plan to retain control. Papers registered with the USA’s Securities and Exchange Commission, show Hicks Acquisition II is seeking to raise $230m (£145m). Shares are being offered for $10 in the "newly organised blank check company formed for the purpose of effecting a merger, capital stock exchange, asset acquisition, stock purchase, reorganisation or similar business combination with one or more businesses." The initial public offering papers also warn prospective investors that "investing in our securities involves a high degree of risk". The company is registered at the same address as Hick’s Holdings – from where Hicks conducts his business affairs. The underwriters for the deal are Citi Bank and Deutsche Bank Securities, with the company expected to start trading on Thursday, October 7. Meanwhile, details of a protest march before the Liverpool home game against Blackpool were unveiled by Reds fans union Sprit of Shankly (SOS). The gathering will leave from the supporters club on Walton Breck Road at 1.45pm and proceed to the stadium where a demonstration is likely to take place. Judging by previous turn-outs, thousands could join the throng campaigning against Hicks and Gillett.Today, SOS said they had set their own deadline of October 31 for the RBS to engage them on the subject of supporter ownership in the club. Spokesman James McKenna said: "At the moment, the bank seem to be pushing us away, but we want solutions to this mess and that involves us. "It’s the Liverpool fans who will inevitably end up paying off the debt. "Our preferred scenario is that RBS will say no to a refinancing deal, but listen to our proposals for supporter involvement in the club." Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2010/09/29/liverpool-fc-s-american-owners-may-have-just-17-days-left-at-anfield-100252-27362822/2/#ixzz10uMOZ8iV

Overall better performance. I'll pat myself on the back for putting a side out onto the pitch. I did well there, didn't I.

Not getting beat.

Mediocre Hodgson will never win over the Liverpool faithful. Listening to Liverpool fans and reading their comments on the various fan sites, its clear that for many Roy Hodgson presents some serious credibility issues and the clubs worst league start since the 1950s is doing little to alleviate their concerns. Hodgsons credibility problems seem to work on two levels. First, theres his decidedly moderate career to date, spanning over 30 years. Second, theres the fact that he was hired by the clubs despised owners, replacing a man who was still revered (rightly or wrongly) by large swathes of the clubs support. Lets take the first issue. Hodgson may have picked up a small bagful of league titles in Scandinavia, but he has done nothing of serious note in any of Europes major leagues. His supporters often point to his time at Inter as evidence of his ability to manage a big club, and while club officials there do talk warmly about his tenure, their affection did not stretch to putting their faith in the man for the long term. Supporters also highlight his time at Fulham as proof of his abilities, with the Cottagers run to the Europa League final as the defining highlight. But since when, say detractors, has stabilising a club in mid table recommended a manager as a serious candidate for a club of Liverpools stature? And enjoyable as Fulhams European odyssey was, it should be put in context given that it is a competition that tends not to be a priority for any of the big clubs who find themselves tied up in it and has seen giants of the European game like Middlesbrough and Glasgow Rangers in recent finals. Ultimately, there is precious little in his CV to suggest that he has the wherewithal to make an impression with Liverpool. Even his employers seem to share the view spinning him as a man to steady the ship, rather than one who could reverse the clubs fortunes. It all sounds rather temporary. The club is in limbo, so hire someone to plug the gap. Not a billing that is likely to inspire disappointed fans, not matter how sensible it may seem. His past record aside, it is possibly more debilitating in the eyes of many supporters that he was employed by the clubs hated owners and replaced the still widely popular Rafael Benitez. There is little doubt Hodgsons predecessor played a major part in his own downfall becoming consumed by his battle to force the clubs American owners to live up to the promises made and thereby losing focus on his primary task of managing the team. But part of Benitezs enduring popularity relates to that fact that for many fans, he seemed to be battling for them and their club against proprietors who saw Liverpool as nothing more than an opportunity. Opinions are divided about the ultimate impact of the Spaniard on the club, but it should not be forgotten that for several years, Benitez made Liverpool a force to be reckoned with both domestically and in Europe. He had made people proud of their club again gave them belief. It is for these reasons that so many were prepared to give him another chance after last seasons misery. But for the clubs owners, Benitez was trouble a constant reminder of their broken promises. Liverpools seventh place finish last term was the excuse they needed to push him out the door. So for many, Hodgson is a cut-price replacement a man who had long dreamed of managing one of Europes great clubs and one who would be happy to accept the position regardless of the uncertainty and unhappiness that surrounded the club. They view him a man who is never going to jeopardise his job by seriously questioning those above him. Where they are right or wrong, their views are entrenched and Hodgson will have a very difficult time inspiring their loyalty. Of course, a run of decent results would alter perceptions greatly. But then there is little evidence thus far this season, but more importantly in his long career to date, to suggest that Hodgson will suddenly hit upon the secret of managing in the higher echelons of the game. But then he may have very little time in which to try. With the club looking almost certain to change hands in the coming months, it is seem highly unlikely that any new owners would put their faith in the current incumbent. Long-term, hes simply not a credible option. http://www.dangerhere.com/mediocre-hodgson-will-never-win-over-the-liverpool-faithful/

You forgot to factor in the "world of Woy".

I think, personally, I've "judged".

Ah, changes everything then. Let the good times roll. Go Liverpool Franchise Go.

October's nearer, no point waiting till March, be pointless. COAT