The was a famous bbc play of the day about Mersyside footy in the 60's called The Golden Vision (Alex Young) and in it a lad and his dad are stood in Gladwys Street during a derby game and the lad says 'dad I need to go' and his father rolls up his echo and gives it to the lad and says 'mind where yer point in son'. http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYALk-ohno In the kop in the 60's behind every crash barrier was always an empty semi circle that no body stood in as when whe got a corner and everyone came surging down anyone at the back of a bar got crushed. So at many matches there was always a drunk who would wander in, with ciggy in one hand, dick in the other and just stand there and relieve himself producing clouds of steam. After every game the bottoms of yer jeans were always soaking.